Berean:  I disagree that Jesus is *a different god

Mike:  Who is the “God” that the Word was with in the beginning?  

Berean: THE WORD WAS WITH… THE FATHER…   THE WORD WAS NOT GOD THE FATHER

So if the Word was with the Father, who is a god, but the Word isn’t the Father… then the Word has no choice but to be… *a different god.
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Clanging Cymbal: …I am not here to take any challenges on these ancient religious texts.

Then why are you spamming my thread with that nonsense?  Do you think that we don’t know how to use Google?  Do you think we are incapable of finding those articles by ourselves if we want to?  Why on earth would someone post a bunch of stuff in a DI…[Read more]

Berean:  Mike, show me an apostle of Christ who emphasizes Jesus as a god… like you do.

I just did, Berean.  I showed you John, the Jews who said Jesus was blaspheming for making himself out to be a god, and Jesus himself, who not only clarified that he was indeed a god, but an even higher god than the disobedient ones who were punished by God in…[Read more]

Clanging Cymbal:  The problem here we are relying the strong arguments put forth by Mike on “Many Gods of the Bible” which includes Jesus the first century Jew.

You have correctly identified that I am making strong arguments here – including my most recent that Jesus is indeed one of the many gods of the Bible – but I fail to see why you woul…[Read more]

Gene:  When Jesus said, “he called them  God’s unto whom,  the word of God came”, you need to understand that,  as him meanning that,  in a possessive sence, they were God’s people , to whom the word of God came.  get it brother? , Jesus was not ever saying the were actually God’s, thenselves,  but they belonged to him.

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Okay Berean and all, now let’s see if the Ps 82/John 10 connection makes sense with the proper translations and understandings.

The confusion starts with the erroneous and completely unscriptural idea that the Bible is a monotheistic book, and that the Israelite/Jewish culture itself held monotheistic beliefs.  I have already showed you…[Read more]

Gene: You seem to have a problem with the word, (was) ,  I gave you the dictionary meaning several time now , “was” simply means (it came to be ) as in,  existed that way. 

The word, (intellegent utterance)  do not come to be God,  it  was,  (existed) with God, and it was the (intellegent utterance) or expression of God,    God and his words are…

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Thanks for that commentary, Berean!  Let’s scrutinize it together and see which parts hold water and which ones don’t.

a. Jesus answered them: The religious leaders surrounded Jesus (John 10:24) and now held rocks to stone Him to death (John 10:31). Jesus didn’t panic and didn’t run; He stopped them with the power of His word. He answered them…

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Thanks for that commentary, Berean!  Let’s scrutinize it together and see which parts hold water and which ones don’t.

a. Jesus answered them: The religious leaders surrounded Jesus (John 10:24) and now held rocks to stone Him to death (John 10:31). Jesus didn’t panic and didn’t run; He stopped them with the power of His word. He answered them…

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Anyone else notice that Proclaimer has been absent for 3 weeks?  He’s posted a couple of links and memes, but he hasn’t engaged in any discussions here in a long time.  I believe it’s because he is stuck.  He can’t answer my questions from our private thread, but he also knows that I will continue to call him out for dishonorably breaking his ow…[Read more]

Okay, here’s where we are…

This is my previous Must Answer question from 3 weeks ago that still remains unanswered…
PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE THAT THE SUN, MOON AND STARS ALREADY EXISTED BEFORE GOD MADE THEM ON DAY FOUR… OR OPENLY ACNKOWLEDGE THAT NO SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE FOR YOUR CLAIMS EXISTS.
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Okay, back to the actual REASON for this thread…

We’ve all agreed that “angels” are called gods in scripture.  We’ve all come to know that when Yahweh says there is no god besides Him, it is an emphatical statement and not meant to be taken literally – since He Himself calls others gods all throughout the scriptures.  Likewise, when Yahweh s…[Read more]

Danny: Hi Adam,

I’m afraid you will never find the truth based on the historians and
archaeologist’s arguments through critical analysis.

If you want the truth, then read the Bible!
The Bible clearly says that Yahweh is EL!

These liberal scholars that speak contrary to the Bible are wrong.
The Bible is our source for all truth even hist…

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Adam: The theological position of the Tanakh is that the names Ēl and ‘Ĕlōhîm, when used in the singular to mean the supreme god, refer to Yahweh, beside whom other gods are supposed to be either nonexistent or insignificant.

The plural “elohim” is used in the singular to refer to many gods in the Bible, including Beelzebul, Chemosh, Molek, an…[Read more]

Mike:  Show me in the Hebrew texts the latter word “worship”. 

 

Adam:  Again your comment on my post mentioning Deut 4:19 is also ignorance of my arguments.

The text of Deut 4:19 (GNT) reads…

19 Do not be tempted to worship and serve what you see in the sky—the sun, the moon, and the stars. The Lord your God has given these to all other pe…

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Adam, how did the “story” of Jesus, the Son of God who was sent down to the earth from heaven, come about?

Let’s start with the most obvious…  Did the man Jesus of Nazareth actually exist on earth?

Adam: Hi Mike, Yes Hebrew religion which is based on their Bible had evolved and developed from Polytheism to Monotheism as per the historians. If you don’t accept it’s your problem.

What does “as per the historians” actually mean, Adam?  What PROOF to “the historians” offer?  And do all “historians” agree with the conclusion at which YOUR histor…[Read more]

Mike: But Jesus could have also used the singular “day”(back in the day of Noah) to make his point.

 

Carmel:  Mike, NO HE COULDN’T! Jesus was specifically talking about Noah’s days, and He couldn’t use the singular form day…

First of all, you’re blatantly wrong…

Let’s begin by pointing out that the phrase “back in the day” has been around s…

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Gene: Mike……here is anotger honest answer for you,

JOHN 1V1……“in the beginning (was) the word  (intellegent utterance), and the word,  (intellegent uterance ) was with God, and the word (intellegent utterance)  was God. 

Point 0ne…

Point two…

Point three…

Point four…

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Carmel: Jeremiah1:5Before I FORMED thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee: and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and MADE thee a prophet unto the nations.

Philippians 2:7  But emptied himself, taking the FORM of a servant, being MADE in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.

In the above two verses, t…

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