t8,The main point I'm trying to get across is the MAJOR DIFFERENCE between the way WE TODAY understand the word “god”, and what that word REALLY meant in scripture.WE TODAY understand the word “god” to mean:  The ONE and ONLY Almighty Creator of All Things.  And if that was TRULY what the word “god” meant in Biblical times, then it would be e…[Read more]

No Kerwin,What I'm saying is that the HOLY spirit of God is NOT the “generic” spirit that all men live by, and which goes back to God when men die.Do you believe there LITERALLY exists only ONE spirit, PERIOD? Because that is what this all boils down to.

Challenge flags in marriage? That guy had me rolling!

Kathi? Are you hiding from us?

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,11:35)Hi Mike, “If” you believe that the HolySpirit is the “Tree of Life”, then we do in fact agree. No Ed,I DON'T agree that the Holy Spirit is the “Tree of Life”. Nor do I know where on earth you come up with some of these things.Where we agree is that the Holy Spirit is NOT the spirit that God gives to all men – the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 15 2013,17:55)But according to the TDNT it means mighty among other things.god, god-like one, mighty onemighty men, men of rank, mighty heroesangelsgod, false god, (demons, imaginations)God, the one true God, Jehovahmighty things in naturestrength, powerDo you see anything on that list that is NOT “mighty”? If not, then we can…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2013,20:11)Mike, the scriptures state that there is “a first Adam”, and “a last Adam”.  Adam = man.Read the rest, Marty.1 Cor 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.Are these two “adams” equal, Marty?  Did they both originate from the same place?  Or is it EASY to see the DIFFERENCE be…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 15 2013,20:33)I surrendered all of my own ideas, and I asked God who Jesus was. I was shown that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.Luke 10:21At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them t…[Read more]

Kerwin,I await your response to the first post on page 864.

Quote (2besee @ June 15 2013,20:33)The fact is that the early Church had no problem in the Spirit being the Son of God – it was never argued against.Read the Creed, 2B.The early church fathers proclaim one Father, one Son, and one Holy Spirit.They DON'T confess one Father, and TWO Sons, one of whom is the Holy Spirit.

Quote (2besee @ June 15 2013,20:33)Immediately, I was given the words “No one knows the thoughts of a man but the spirit that is in him, like wise, no one knows the mind of God but, the spirit of God” and then days later “Nobody knows the Father but the Son”. I was shown the connection.I don't doubt you were shown these two things, 2B.  But the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,16:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,02:08)Kerwin, since all humans ARE flesh, it is not common to say things like, “Billy the Kid came in the flesh on November 23rd, 1859.”That is when he was born, but we don't call being born “coming in the flesh”, do we?Mike,It may be an idiom based on the culture of that time or…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 15 2013,20:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,07:22)(2) As for the Holy Spirit:  If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that goes back to God when we die), then ALL MEN have been given the Holy Spirit from birth.Hi Mike, 2) I disagree with this hypothesis, because we are all given a spirit of our own.Then it seems…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,16:31)In the first case the Spirit is already present and in the second case it is received. A seeming contradiction.It is indeed a contradiction, which is why I don't take Paul's words in Ephesians 4:4 literally. I don't understand “one spirit” to be any more literal that his words “one lord” in verse 5.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2013,10:03)and that is why he is compared to a devil, because the spirit of ha-satan was at work in him, carrying out it's evil deeds.I agree with that, Gene. So tell me again how I'm “wrong” when I agree with what you've said above.

Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2013,12:59)Mike,Quote Every human being since Adam has lived by God's spirit.  When humans die, that spirit goes back to Him who gave it, right?Are you saying THAT is the Holy Spirit?  The one all men live by?  The one that goes back to God when we die?Are you sure?You wrote these words to Ed but they seemed a way to co…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 14 2013,23:00)Hi Mike,They were prevented from eating the “Tree of Life”. So I disagree with your hypothesis.Hi Ed,My “hypothesis” is that there would be no need FOR a tree of life in the Garden of Eden if Adam and Eve were already created immortal.As for the Holy Spirit: If it is the Spirit by which ALL MEN LIVE (the one that…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 14 2013,23:53)Quote 1. Have you even considered that 2B purposely omits the first part of his second scripture – apparently in an effort to deceptively sway the masses? You are not saying that to me personally, Mike – but to God who showed me those words.I don't doubt that it was God who led you to that verse, 2B.  But I'm…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,20:27)Charles, Every human being comes in the flesh since the soul comes in the flesh.Case in point! Kerwin, since all humans ARE flesh, it is not common to say things like, “Billy the Kid came in the flesh on November 23rd, 1859.”That is when he was born, but we don't call being born “coming in the flesh”, do we?Have…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2013,20:19)Mike,Just establishing a point at which we agree. It's good there still are some, Kerwin. They seem to be getting fewer and farther between lately.