Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,17:10)Mike,Quote Are you unable to see how John's use of “has come in the flesh” matches EXACTLY with Phil 2:6-8?  Or how it matches EXACTLY with John 1:14, Hebrews 2:14, Acts 2:30, and Romans 1:3?  (Please answer these points, Kerwin.)No.  Philippians 2:6-8 uses “form of God” in the same context of “form of se…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,16:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,04:42)Did you even consider the possibility that John said those words for a very specific reason, such as:  Jesus WAS INDEED existing in the form of God BEFORE “coming in the flesh”?  Mike,All that passage tells us is that Jesus' soul came in the flesh.  It do not tell us what ki…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,16:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2013,04:42)Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,21:09)Mike,You are mistaken as human beings come in the flesh just like I come in cloths.Kerwin,The scriptures you posted speak about human beings being clothed in flesh bodies.  (Actually, Paul was speaking about being clothed with our new…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,08:07)You like the gnostic's believe Jesus was transferred from another existence into a flesh or what appeared a flesh body. You like them believe Jesus was tranfurgered from a past state of existences to a different state of existence, you also believe Jesus is now a Spirit being  no longer having a flesh…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,23:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,15:34)I think you are right, Pierre.  As if me being a JW would somehow make the scriptures I post become lies or something.  No 2B.  I am not now a JW.  I do not study with anyone except for you guys on this site.  And I have no plans to become a JW.Mike, have you studied with…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,22:14)Mike,It is a change of English so it becomes “the Word made flesh lived among us…”.Nonsense, Kerwin.  Nothing but pure, unadulterated nonsense.The word AND is in the Greek text.  Therefore, any understanding you come up with MUST include the word AND.You can't just REMOVE a very important conjunction from the G…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,21:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2013,08:36)Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,19:54)Mike, READ THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. It is common knowledge.I have no time for such things, 2B.  It is you and Gene who make claims that the Gnostics didn't believe Jesus was a flesh human being.  You should be able to show some proof of t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,21:09)Mike,You are mistaken as human beings come in the flesh just like I come in cloths.Kerwin,The scriptures you posted speak about human beings being clothed in flesh bodies. (Actually, Paul was speaking about being clothed with our new spiritual (not flesh) bodies in heaven – but you get the point.)The point is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,14:31)But what's odd, is when God say himself, that there is no other God's but him, he doesn't take that literally.Gene,Do yourself a favor, and read the debate I'm currently having with t8 about this subject. You may very well learn something scriptural.

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,22:02)The Holy Spirit may be or may not be the breath of life but it is linked to it in some manner.And if it's not? Does that mean there is a different spirit by which men are animated?

Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,19:54)Mike, READ THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. It is common knowledge.I have no time for such things, 2B.  It is you and Gene who make claims that the Gnostics didn't believe Jesus was a flesh human being. You should be able to show some proof of that claim.  I'm not saying you're wrong – only that the first time I l…[Read more]

I think you are right, Pierre. As if me being a JW would somehow make the scriptures I post become lies or something. No 2B. I am not now a JW. I do not study with anyone except for you guys on this site. And I have no plans to become a JW.

Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,20:00)I find it odd that a “moderator” allows his favorite member to harass people constantly, turning a blind eye to it. Is that what a moderator is supposed to do?Pierre,Please speak more nicely to the other members. Some folks are complaining about you being too harsh.To All,There is a “Report Post to Moderator”…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ June 16 2013,19:09)Mike, this debate is not if Jesus is the Son of God but if he is true God or an arch angel or michael.I don't think Jesus is Michael, the archangel…. although I am aware of the scriptures that lead the JWs and others to believe that.  And I must say that those scriptures could easily be understood that way.…[Read more]

From Wikipedia:Jesus is identified by some Gnostics as an embodiment of the supreme being who became incarnate to bring gnōsis to the earth. Others adamantly deny that the supreme being came in the flesh, claiming Jesus to be merely a human who attained divinity through gnosis and taught his disciples to do the same.I see where some Gnostics…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 16 2013,18:53)Mike, Do you acknowledge that “Jesus coming in the flesh” was in regards to the gnostics who claimed that Jesus was an illusion, a spirit being only and not flesh, both on earth and after the resurrection, and that you are wrongly using those words?I don't know what the Gnostics taught about Jesus – except for…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 16 2013,14:04)Mike,Actually human beings literally come in the flesh. I see no evidence it is an idiom but it does seem to be an answer to those that taught Jesus was a spirit being and so did not come in the flesh.Kerwin,Human beings are generally never anything BUT flesh. To say a human being “came in the flesh” is to…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)Hi Mike,What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.

Cool.  Next step:Genesis 3:5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are these gods?Genesis 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil……. The gods, to whom Satan referred, are the “one of us” Jehovah…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2013,12:25)I agree Hi Pierre,Thanks for the support, but this thread is a debate (actually a discussion) between t8 and myself for now.