Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2013,19:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,10:13) Okay, before I move on to some other scriptures, let me nip Ed's point in the bud:Ed, Jehovah is the “elohim OF elohim”, right?  Will you seriously claim that the first “elohim” means one thing, and the second “elohim” means a DIFFERENT thing?If so, then address these p…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,20:24)Quote (4Thomas @ June 20 2013,01:35) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Is it your intention to say that Jesus is a “YHWH” that CAN BE seen by human eyes, while the Father is a “YHWH” that CANNOT be seen by human eyes?  YES or NO?Yes, I believe we can't access the Father directly.Okay.  So now we both agree that Jesus, t…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ June 26 2013,19:47)Now as far as satan being a true god or The god as scripture teaches identifies him as The false god.Which scripture identifies Satan as a “false god”, Daniel?  Surely none of those you listed do such a thing.Quote (4Thomas @ June 26 2013,19:47)And every other translation I could find identifies these heavenly…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,14:47)Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2013,01:42)I believe that the offspring is the only begotten Son who is like His Father in attributes and nature, self-existent/eternal nature.LU,Jesus is clearly not like God in attributes since he was tempted by evil and God cannot be.   There are more attributes that are different…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,13:57)John the Baptist always had ready for him, his name 'John,'……….This is not hard.If there is a point in time when John DID NOT have that name, then there is a point in time where “John” was NOT YET “John”.Having a name “ready for” someone, and then at some point GIVING that name to them, is not the same…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,20:17)The Greek word “therefore” is “dio” meaning “on which account.” Meaning that BECAUSE of the power of God causing a virgin to conceive, this child will be called the Son of God!!Agreed.  That word is also translated as “for this reason” and “that is why” in the NET Bible.I see your point, and agree with your…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 27 2013,16:01)Your view would require that only God is before all ages, now and forevermore! and the 'through Jesus Christ' part would only refer to when he came in the flesh onward.Yeah, it seems to be a major elephant in the room – as far as I can tell.If the glory, majesty and power is literally TO God before the ages, then the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 28 2013,00:10)Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,23:51)Quote (terraricca @ June 27 2013,21:30)who is the person that JB talks about ONE NAME PLEASE ;?…….T,John is using John the Baptist's words to teach of the attributes of Jesus. Kwhy do you have to interpret what as not to be ;you did not answer my question ,and you pick…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 27 2013,05:23)Mike,The situation is that is what you are doing when you claim Jesus was made flesh = Jesus came in the flesh.Kerwin,1. Jesus came in the flesh. That is ONE way in scripture that we are told how Jesus, who wasn't at one time flesh, came to the earth as a flesh human being.2. The Word became flesh. That is a…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2013,17:22)…….and that is the vesture that those who are filled with God's HolySpirit are covered with in the battle…….Oh. So then it is NOT really the blood of those slain, as you previously claimed?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2013,07:46)God is not just mighty one as you falsely assume, it is more that that………….Agreed, Gene.Jehovah is the Almighty one. Jehovah is the mighty one OF all the other mighty ones. Jehovah is the MOST HIGH mighty one. Jehovah is the ONLY mighty one we are to worship and serve. Jehovah is the ONLY…[Read more]

So you can LEARN, Eddy.  That's why.I just read the posts from Gene, Ed, Abe, and Kerwin.  And Kerwin seems to be the ONLY one who taking this SERIOUSLY – as a man after truth SHOULD take it.The rest of you are making personal slams, jokes, and telling yourselves lies.And NONE of you have yet explained to me how David, speaking by the Holy S…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2013,23:13)Acts 13:35 “Therefore He also says in another Psalm, 'YOU WILL NOT ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.'Why do you suppose that is, Jodi?  If the flesh of all who came before Jesus was subject to decay, and the flesh of all who come after Jesus will be destroyed (2 Cor 5), why was it necessary for Jesus'…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2013,23:13)The human body is a magnificent creation, full of intelligent design, but you seem to want to destroy God's work in it, like it's a scrap to be thrown down the garbage disposal.Whoa, sister!  I don't believe all will dwell in heaven after the resurrection.  I believe heaven will be the dwelling place for the e…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 25 2013,23:13)Which expression specifically is Barnes referring to?“According to the flesh”.  He is saying that this particular phrase is not, and could not, sensibly be said of anyone who has never been anything OTHER THAN flesh.The phrase “in the days of his flesh” is even more disconcerting for you folks.  If Paul (…[Read more]

Ed,Thanks for the compliment. But your post doesn't answer my question…… which was:How could the blood on the robe of the rider of the white horse be from a battle that hadn't yet begun?

Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2013,20:33)Mike,Quote But isn't it you guys who have to ADD the word “IN” into John 1:14, making it say, “the Word came to be IN flesh” – because you don't like the teaching as it was written?Are you now claiming Jesus did not come in the flesh?Nope. Just demonstrating how we don't have to ADD our own words into John 1:14…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2013,08:42)Mike……….My bible say angels in plasm's and  why does Heb 2:7 also say Angels when quoting Plasm's. Your Bible says?   Come on Gene.  Your Bible also probably says, “feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood” in Acts 20:28.  But the Greek words are really “with the blood of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2013,23:37)…….why couldn't the Son be named before He was given His name after He was begotten?My point is that at some point, Jesus DIDN'T have that name, since it was at some point GIVEN to him.You cannot GIVE the name “Jim” to someone who has already eternally BEEN “Jim”.Are you seeing my point?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2013,18:05)Pierre,How does Colossians 1 change anything. Colossians 1 doesn't call Jesus the first created.Then what DOES “firstborn of every creature” mean, Kathi?