Add Gen 3:5 to Gen 3:22, which I also quoted in my post.They have become like one of US, knowing good from evil……...That seems to make it pretty clear that “gods” is the correct translation of 3:5, rather than “God”.If you agree to this, and therefore agree that the spirit sons of God are in view in 3:5, then what is it that tells us these…[Read more]

So we can all see that I've successfully nipped Ed's point in the bud, as promised. And we can all see that Ed is now in denial, saying “elohim” means “GOD” in Isaiah 44, but means “leader” when Jehovah is called the “elohim of elohim”.And he will continue to switch the definitions of the word, scripture by scripture, until those scriptures teach…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 29 2013,21:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:15)All from scripture, Marty.Hi Mike:Please quote the scripture.Love in Christ,MartyPhil 2Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped;7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the form of a servant, being made in human…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,21:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:05)Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:51)You can't change Scripture – there are no other gods Mike, period.  You are in complete denial, Ed.What do you say we get extremely REAL about this?The fact of the matter is that there are no “gods” PERIOD in ANY scripture.  There are “el”, “…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ June 28 2013,13:01)Lets stick to the subject of how many true Gods there are for now………Fair enough. Please explain 1 Cor 8:6 to me WITHOUT using the added quotation marks and the added “so-called”.And then explain who the gods are in Psalm 8:5………… the ones mankind was created a little lower than.I think we will be…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ June 28 2013,13:01)It doesn't change the nature of the employee though does it. Adam is like the Father and Eve is like the Son, both are truly different but still human………….Hmmm………….But are we able to see Eve's face without dying, but cannot see Adam's or else we will die?Is it said that, “no one has seen Adam at…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2013,12:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2013,19:52)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,13:57)John the Baptist always had ready for him, his name 'John,'……….This is not hard.If there is a point in time when John DID NOT have that name, then there is a point in time where “John” was NOT YET “John”.Having a name “ready…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2013,12:33)Mike, If a father is self-existing, there needs to be a self-existing offspring as well whether begotten or yet to be begotten.Also, the 'origin' was referring to the Son of man. The plan that there would be an incarnation had its origin in ancient times, before creation. The beginning of that plan was the…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56)Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10)Mike,It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?Not hard at all.  What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?   It seems to be hard for you to understand.Well, it's not. Nor do I have any idea why it would seem t…[Read more]

Did John come to testify about an attribute of God?  Where in scripture can I read about that?Is an attribute of God both “God Himself” AND “the Son of God”?Did an attribute of God BECOME FLESH and dwell on earth?Is the name of an attribute of God the only thing by which we can be saved and by which we are given the right to become children of…[Read more]

All from scripture, Marty.

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:51)Hi Mike, 1) Yes, JEHOVAH is the most high “leader” (LEADER of leaders) – there are no other gods.Actually, Jehovah is the most high elohim (“elohim OF elohim”). So are you claiming there are no other elohim?It is obvious you are in denial, but will you go as far to claim that Jehovah is the ONLY elohim?

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:51)You can't change Scripture – there are no other gods Mike, period. You are in complete denial, Ed.What do you say we get extremely REAL about this?The fact of the matter is that there are no “gods” PERIOD in ANY scripture. There are “el”, “elohim”, and “theos”.Fact: Jehovah is the elohim OF elohim.Fact: Jehovah…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:56)Kerwin,And that attribute of God was made flesh and dwelt among us….?Are you coming to your senses, 2B? You've asked a very good question.

Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10)Mike,It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?Not hard at all.  What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?  

Quote (kerwin @ June 29 2013,20:28)Mike, 2besee;John wrote that God is the light and God is in the light.  Do you then ask how God can be in himself?In the beginning was the light.  And the light was with God, and the light was God.All things were created through the light.  John came as a witness to the light.  He himself was not the light; he…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:05)Hi Mike,”EL-o-heem of  EL-o-heem's” means: “LEADER of Leaders” -NOT-  'angel of angels'.Okay Ed,It seems you agree with me that in phrases like “lord of lords” and “king of kings”, the definition of the first word must match the definition of the second word.  (It would be so nice for you to come out and say, “Y…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,05:56)Quote (Ed J @ June 27 2013,21:06)Hi Pierre, When the bible calls YHVH the most high, it simply means that none that are higher. (ref. Psalm 83:18)Ed, once again you are bouncing all around the truth, but never landing directly on it.Your statement above is absolutely correct.…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,20:08)Hi Mike,In your estimation are “men” mighty ones?Absolutely, Ed. It seems from scripture that the word “el”, or “elohim” was occasionally applied to human beings early on.As we move farther through scripture, we see how the word is increasingly understood to refer to supernatural beings only. For example, by the…[Read more]

Okay then 2B. Now I am able to see your point as clear as day, and will comment on it soon.