Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2013,15:22)Mike……So who do you know that is supernatural, immortal, has powers over people and nature. I know no one in the bible who has those powers over all those things but ONE GOD. IF you know some who does please tell us who he or she is so we can all see these other little Gods of yours.Really Gene?Have…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 01 2013,10:42)Mike,It seems you believe Jehovah and the angels are the same kind but that only Jehovah is to be worshiped.I understand they have the characteristic of being mighty.I didn't say Jehovah and His angels are the “same kind”, Kerwin. But if you are talking only about their spirit nature, then yes, they are.Instead,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 30 2013,19:50)And so, I get tired of going over the same thing with you over and over again.Hi Marty,Same here.  Enough is enough.  Just know that if you agree angels ARE called gods in scripture, then Jehovah isn't LITERALLY the only one.  Nor is there any reason to shy away from, or try to twist the scriptures where Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,19:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:08)Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.Which one of your four definitions of elohim will you apply to this verse, Ed?  Both the Hebrew text and your AKJV equate…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 30 2013,14:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,07:34)Okay, let's start with Phil 2, since t8 has already brought it up.5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:6 Who, existing in the form of God,    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped;7 rather, he made himself n…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 30 2013,15:08)YES, we must understand that Jesus IS “from heaven” in the sense that God's Holy Spirit from heaven descended upon Mary and caused her to conceive a child. It was not an “earthly” conception………… God is Jesus' Father. Jesus, like Adam, did NOT have an earthly father!!Why then don't we say Adam is “from…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,18:51)…..I consider it to be unabridged and as God intended to be.As God intended it to be……….. EXCEPT FOR 1 John 5:7 and the fact they say “gods” in Gen 3:5 when it should be “angels”, right? Let's see if we can find more ways the AKJV is NOT as God intended it to be, okay?Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2013,15:39)My view is not that I disagree that there are gods, but that we go around calling anyone who is considered 'theos' as a god.Why do you buck against this so hard? If one is considered or called “theos”, then that one is being considered as and called “a god”.Theos means god, t8. If an angel is called theos, then…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2013,15:31)Could be. I have never thought about it too much, but assumed it was God talking to the Word that he made the Universe through.Well, if Satan said they would become like the gods, and Jehovah said they have become like one of US, and you think the “US” is Jehovah and His Word…………….. wouldn't that mean that…[Read more]

Yeah, there wasn't enough room to put everything I wanted in the title, PLUS “Mike and t8 only”.

Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2013,14:39)1) Saul was anointed and he made mistakes, and David was anointed and he made mistakes too. 1John 5:7 doesn't belong in the bible – when man's involved, mistakes will naturally happen.So then there is nothing really special about the AKJV, right?  It is just a Bible like all the rest, complete with mistakes like…[Read more]

Sorry Marty,I have no time for game-playing. Nor do I have the time to start yet another discussion with you about the pre-existence of Jesus, just so you can yet again walk away from it.There is a post to you that I worked very hard on, about 20 or 30 pages back in this thread. When you get the time to address that post, perhaps I'll again have…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 30 2013,15:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:53)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2013,21:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,14:15)All from scripture, Marty.Hi Mike:Please quote the scripture.Love in Christ,MartyPhil 2Who, existing in the form of God,    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped;7 rather, he m…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,15:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,23:03)Kerwin,Since “god” actually MEANS “mighty one”, then it is a given that Jehovah is mighty.   In fact, He is the MOST mighty out of all the mighty ones.Mike,God does not mean mighty, mighty is just a descriptive word associated with God.Kerwin, the earliest known meaning of…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 30 2013,14:45)Next, God says..IF he commits sin, He will correct him.The Hebrew word (actually it's a spatial/temporal marker, not a “word”) used means “in”, “on”, “among”, and “when”.  It doesn't mean “if”.  Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth a…[Read more]

Kerwin,Since “god” actually MEANS “mighty one”, then it is a given that Jehovah is mighty. In fact, He is the MOST mighty out of all the mighty ones.

Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,22:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:02)Genesis 3:5 AKJV For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Ed, who are the “gods” that your AKJV is talking about?Hi Mike, “EL-o-heem” in that verse should have been translated to…[Read more]

Not exactly, Kerwin.I won't speak for Pierre (although I believe he sees it pretty much the same way I do), but here is what I believe:The word “elohim” simply means “mighty (one)” – PERIOD!Jehovah is but ONE of the MANY elohim.Jehovah is the ONLY elohim who has existed from eternity.Jehovah CREATED all of the other elohim.Jehovah is the MOST HIGH…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,03:48)Mike,Quote Did an attribute of God BECOME FLESH and dwell on earth?An attribute of God CAN become flesh.Okay 2B,Let's focus on this one for a minute.Which attribute of God are you speaking about? And in which way did this attribute actually BECOME flesh?

Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,21:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,16:19)Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,15:56)Quote (2besee @ June 29 2013,20:10)Mike,It is so hard for you to understand that God is one?Not hard at all.  What does that have to do with the points I made, Abe Jr.?   It seems to be hard for you t…[Read more]