Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,13:15)I see it more as..1) He was created in the image of God. (in the womb)2) He did not seek to be equal to God. (knowing that he was the son of God, he still did not seek to be equal)3) But instead made himself of no reputation. (he did not seek to hold on to the status of being the son of God)4) He took on the role…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,12:44)I COULD be wrong, BUT Paul could also be saying “from Heaven” because at the time of His writing..that is were Jesus was?Wouldn't “in heaven” fit that thought more accurately? Why “FROM heaven” then?

Kerwin,Did the demiurge of Philo's understanding become flesh, and dwell as a flesh man on earth, where he had the glory of God's only begotten Son?Did he wear sandals?  Was John the Baptist sent to prepare the way for, and testify about, Philo's demiurge?(I like the way you are so gung ho to point out that John said Jesus has come in the flesh…[Read more]

I don't believe they were literally JEHOVAH.  But tell me what words in that text tell you that Moses wasn't calling them literal gods.  They sacrificed to new gods – gods their fathers had not known.  How does one read that and NOT just believe it for what Moses said?  What PERSONAL agendas are being followed by people who must ADD the imp…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 02 2013,23:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2013,11:18)Add that to Galatians 1:1 and 1:11, where Paul makes it clear that his gospel didn't come from any human being (anthropos), but from Jesus Christ.Add that to 1 Corinthians 15:45 and 15:50, where Paul made it clear Jesus became a spirit, and that flesh cannot inherit the…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 02 2013,23:40)I would like to discuss Hebrews 5:7 a little more!Hebrews 5:7 In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.Paul speaks extensively about man's weak flesh………..So is that the…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 02 2013,22:33)Romans 4:1 RSVWhat then shall we say about Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh?Does Barnes assume that Abraham pre-existed with Jesus?Not at all, Jodi.  We must consider what Paul is teaching us in that passage.  He is saying, 2 If, for instance, Abraham were declared righteous as a result of w…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ July 03 2013,19:50)Mike,Do you understand what a false God is?The phrase “false god” is nowhere to be found in ANY scripture, Daniel. They are the words of translators who hope to protect the scriptures from themselves.

Quote (4Thomas @ July 03 2013,19:44)……..Jesus as **MAN** is lower than the angels and even men and women who he came to save………….So then Jesus was NOT God Almighty on earth?I need to hear you say it, Daniel. I need to hear you say that Jesus was LESSOR THAN his God Jehovah while he was on earth.Either refute it, or acknowledge it.

Quote (4Thomas @ July 03 2013,19:44)Please show me all the MANY times that angels are called gods.I'll show you a couple, for starters.Deuteronomy 32:17They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not…………….Here we see Moses identifying demons (who are angels) as gods.  I don't see the words “false gods”, do you?Judges…[Read more]

I'm sure it will be something grandiose.

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 03 2013,23:22)The OT testament makes it clear that a Son was to be created in a MAN, and that a Son did not yet exist.Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what…[Read more]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 03 2013,23:11)Scripture says that God created the worlds through and for JESUS, not a pre-existing son, but JESUS……….Do you see how your bolded words are simply out of place in the rest of the statement, Jodi?You agree that God created the ages (worlds) through Jesus, but then pretend that God could have created…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,19:34)Mike,We are speaking about language use in a time when some philosophers were religious teachers.  Philo, a Jew, taught about God at the same time John, a Jew, did using much the same language.  They both had common roots in a religion that would become known as Christianity.Okay K…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,15:50)Happy independence day, Mike!And to you, Ed.

Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,22:02)In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Ēl or Il was the supreme God, the Father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Ra′s Shamrā – Arabic: رأس شمرا‎, Syria).In Northwest Semitic usage ʾl was both a generic…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2013,15:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2013,02:35)I don't know, Kerwin.  Read Genesis 24:1-4.  At this time, even Abraham didn't know Jehovah AS “Jehovah”.  (God told Moses they knew Him by “God Almighty”, but did not know Him by His name “Jehovah”.)But the point is that Abraham was the one person out of the world that Je…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 02 2013,21:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2013,06:57)You mean like we use the English word “word” in many different symbolic and metaphoric ways?Using a word metaphorically or symbolically does NOT all of a sudden make that word “magic” or something, Kerwin.The Greek word “logos” continues to simply mean “word”.Mike,Logos has…[Read more]

How can we agree, Ed, when she posts a scripture that clearly says God created the ages (worlds) through Jesus, but then just pretends those words aren't there?How can God create the ages (PLURAL) through Jesus if Jesus wasn't there to have those ages created through him?

Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,08:32)There are no other gods Pierre!”there is no God else beside me;” (Isaiah 45:21)Exodus 12:12“On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.”Does Jehovah contradict Himself, Ed? Or is s…[Read more]