Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,08:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:34)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)I see “in the form of God” as “He was sinless.”So he emptied himself of his sinless form and took on a sinful form instead?That can't be right.No, I think you misread what I wrote.Jesus NEVER emptied himself of being sinless.So then we agree…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,08:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:30)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)All this, I'd say, happened after His birth except #1……………This is the crux of Phil 2, IMO.  I can understand how someone who was existing in a form OTHER THAN a human being could be made into the likeness of a human being.  But I c…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,07:13)And No, I'd say God could say that He created my son, but I'm really not sure about Him saying “I alone created.”WHO created your son?Deuteronomy 32:6Is he not your father, your creator? He has made you and established you.Malachi 2:10Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?Nehemiah 9:6Thou, even…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,07:32)My point is that Jesus being called “from heaven” does  not mean that He HAD to literally come “from heaven” as a preexistent being.Hi jb,These are the two scriptures you listed before:James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no…[Read more]

You'll need to go on, because as of yet, you haven't said one single thing that even hints that Jesus isn't the Word who became flesh – while everything John wrote in the first chapter of his gospel points ONLY to this one, very evident truth.You list Isaiah 55:11, and assume this MUST BE the same exact “Word” that is mentioned in John 1.But I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,08:12)It doesn't matter if it is saying that he is the Most High and God or the Most High God, because his counsels are called theos by reason of their office. So he has authority over those who are theos.Jehovah has authority over EVERY BEING IN EXISTENCE, so that point is moot.Tell me WHY you think His counsels are…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,06:04)Actually Satan is also identified as a god too. Others are gods.That is all I'm trying to get acknowledged here.  WHO, exactly, is one of these “others” that is a god?  You say Jehovah and Satan.  Who else is a god?Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,06:04)Likewise if I was referring to adam, I would identify Adam as the fi…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,08:36)but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.How can…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,08:18)You can make the same argument with Eve. Did God create Eve. Did God create Eve through Adam?Exactly. God ALONE and BY HIMSELF created me. But He did that through my parents, my grandparents, Noah, Adam, Eve, and Jesus.

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,07:40) Furthermore, if Jesus was the “word” in John 1:1, WHY did Jesus need to “grow in wisdom”? God's word IS wisdom!!The Greek word “logos” simply means “word”.  And just like with the English language, the word “word” means many things, and can metaphorically refer to even more things.Jesus is called “the Word of…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,07:10)It NEVER says that He GAVE UP being “in the form of God.”  It only states that even though He was in the form of God, He did not seek to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation..You see? No mention of giving up being “in the form of God.”It says “emptied himself”, or “made himself of no…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)I see “in the form of God” as “He was sinless.”So he emptied himself of his sinless form and took on a sinful form instead?That can't be right.

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)1) He was created in the image of God. (in the womb)2) He did not seek to be equal to God. (knowing that he was the son of God, he still did not seek to be equal)3) But instead made himself of no reputation. (he did not seek to hold on to the status of being the son of God)4) He took on the role of servant. (did…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2013,06:11)Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,12:44)I COULD be wrong, BUT Paul could also be saying “from Heaven” because at the time of His writing..that is were Jesus was?Wouldn't “in heaven” fit that thought more accurately?  Why “FROM heaven” then?Well the short answer would be..Yes, “in…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2013,06:11)Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,12:44)I COULD be wrong, BUT Paul could also be saying “from Heaven” because at the time of His writing..that is were Jesus was?Wouldn't “in heaven” fit that thought more accurately?  Why “FROM heaven” then?Well the short answer would be..Yes, “in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 05 2013,12:23)El, who archaeologist claim is the most high God of the Canaanites.Kerwin,Your own source said that the el of the Canaanites had Asherah as his wife. Does that sound like Jehovah to you?

Opinions about opinions!    I like that, Pierre. Kerwin very rarely addresses the actual points anymore.  I've asked him if Philo's demiurge wore sandals, or became flesh and blood, or was the son of God, of if John the Baptist came to testify about him.I asked him these things because I thought that if he answered correctly and said “NO”, then we…[Read more]

Daniel,NEVERMIND MY LAST POST.  YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE THINGS.We need to start over, Daniel.  We're all over the place.  I suppose that in order to show you that Jesus is a god who is lesser than his own God Jehovah, I must first convince you that the Bible is loaded with many gods – just like Paul clearly taught us in 1 Cor 8:…[Read more]

Hi Daniel,Please address these three things DIRECTLY for me. They are the points of my last three posts, and I don't feel you actually addressed them.1. Show me that the two scriptures I listed DON'T speak of gods other than Jehovah.2. Either refute that Jesus was LESSER THAN his and our God, Jehovah, while he was on the earth……… or…[Read more]

Then why don't you just cut to the chase and admit the “demiurge” IS Jesus? You are going WAY out of your way to invent a DIFFERENT supernatural being, through whom all things were created, and who is called “the Word”………… when you have the perfect specimen, Jesus, staring you right in the face.He IS called “the Word”, right? And…[Read more]