Quote (kerwin @ July 15 2013,10:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,05:36)Quote (kerwin @ July 14 2013,13:41)Mike,Demiurge is a personification.Great.  Thanks for the answer.  Personification of WHAT exactly?Mike,Philo, a Jew, uses demiurge, archangel, and other titles usually associated with a person to speak of logos in his version of the J…[Read more]

Eddy, I'm done now. Your own words have put the final nail in the coffin of your agenda. Your own words said that angels are indeed real elohim. And your own words INSIST that Jehovah was making an exaggerated statement in Isaiah 45:21, and a few other scriptures.Of course you'll never admit such a thing, but I don't really care. I have SHOWN…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22)1.  Ed, does the word “and” appear in that teaching?  In other words, did Moses say they sacrificed to BOTH demons AND TO false gods?  YES or NO?2.  Does the word “false” appear anywhere in that teaching?  In other words, where are you reading the phrase “FALSE gods”?  Bec…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2013,03:22)1.  Was Jehovah every one of the saviors He SENT, Ed?  YES or NO?2.  Was our savior Jesus Christ REALLY Jehovah Himself?  YES or NO?Hi Mike, 1) YHVH is “The Savior”, because he used men does not change that.     2) Jesus name means “YA is Salvation” – “YA” is “the Savio…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:17)Hi Mike, YHVH is over Me and you, but “I” would not call us gods.I didn't ask for a list of who WASN'T a less high god, Ed. I asked for a list of who WAS one of the less high gods that Jehovah is higher than.

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:11)2) “there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.” (Isaiah 45:21) is correctly translated into English.There was no such thing as “England”, or the “English language” when Jehovah spoke those words, Ed.There was such a thing as the Hebrew word “elohim” though.  And Jehovah said…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:03)Hi Mike, I don't believe it is exaggerated one bit, because there are no other gods.You mean there are no other ELOHIM, right? Because ELOHIM is the Hebrew word Jehovah said in Isaiah 45:5, right?But wait, that doesn't match your own words that said angels are “real elohim”, does it? Hmmmm……………..…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,16:01)Maybe Peter was not referring to the timing of events – “I DON'T KNOW!”And if he was, then the phrase “ALL THINGS” would be an exaggerated statement, wouldn't it?It is similar in 1 John 2:20, where believers are said to “know ALL THINGS”.I only want you to understand that there exist many exaggerated statements in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 14 2013,21:50)…you can say they had a different God……Woo Hoo! It seems like we are finally understanding each other………. almost.I say that every living thing HAS the exact same God and Creator – Heavenly Father Jehovah.But many people don't WORSHIP the Heavenly Father Jehovah AS their God.

Quote (4Thomas @ July 14 2013,19:15)Mike, where does Jesus fit in the commandment?Are we to love him with ALL our heart soul and mind or treat him as a neighbor and just love him as ourself?Absolutely the LXX version of Psalm 8:5 has “aggelos” (angels).  And I've heard that Jesus and the disciples quoted the LXX 67% of the time – which would be…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,12:14)…..God foreknew the future sacrifice of the obedient CHOSEN one out of the people, Jesus………..What sacrifice, jb?

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,12:37)I disagree. Verse 47 does not tell us of the “origins of the second Adam.” It tells us what he was made into!! Are we reading the same verse?  1 Corinthians 15:47 NET The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven.Both bolded words are “ek” in Greek.  They mean “out of” or “from”.  …[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,11:45)What Heb 1:4 says is that Jesus was MADE superior to the angels by God.Hebrews 1:4 NETThus he became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs.You are ignoring the fact that it doesn't say he became better, but that he became SO MUCH BETTER.  You won't ever be able to come to a…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,11:25)Let's not forget that Jesus did not take ANY credit for  creation! (Matt 19:4, Mark 10:6, and Mark 13:19)You have to let that one go, jb.  Neither t8 nor I believe Jesus created anything.  We believe that God – ALONE AND BY HIMSELF – created all things.Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,11:25)And so, we can say, ac…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,10:54)To answer your question..how a human being could be made in the likeness of a human being? Well, I am human and God made me in the likeness of a human. Right?But were YOU existing in the form of God BEFORE you were made in the likeness of a human being?You seem to be purposely avoiding the clear chain of events…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,10:43)I agree with your concept; however, I believe that when God says that He spoke and it was..I believe that is HOW it happened.I also agree with that.  But consider:Hebrews 11 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 14 2013,13:41)Mike,Demiurge is a personification.Great. Thanks for the answer. Personification of WHAT exactly?

I just saw that you are still working on these posts. I will refrain from addressing your recent posts until you are done.

Quote (jb2u @ July 14 2013,10:34)It says that He was “made into” a life-giving spirit.I agree that verse 45 doesn't speak of Jesus' ORIGINS as a spirit being.  (It's good to know that you are not one of those who believe Jesus remains a human being in heaven.)  But verse 47 clearly distinguishes the ORIGINS of the first man (from the dust of the e…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,02:59)Quote (Ed J @ July 14 2013,16:34)………….and they were all filled with the HolySpirit, and they spake “The Word” of God with boldness. (Acts 4:31)1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen  with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of…[Read more]