Gene:  Isa 44v17…..And the residue thereof (a tree),  he “makes” a God, even his graven image; he falls down unto it, and worships “IT”, and prays unto “IT”, and says unto “IT” , Deliever me; for you are my God.  

That’s one of my favorite passages in the Bible.

Isaiah 44:16-17… He burns half of it in the fire, and he roasts meat on that hal…[Read more]

Gene:  when Jesus said i say you are all God’s , he meant that in a possive sense ,  that is why it also say “unto hum the word of God came”. 

I have already corrected you on this before (one of the many times you just ignored my correction, ran away from the thread for a while, just to come back later and claim the same damn thing that I already…[Read more]

Gene:  Your problem is so simple , you using the word for God , as meaning the person, when it means a “relationship”  with something,  anything that exists.  Can even be a tree…

The reason i have to constantly go back over things over and over , it because you have not actually acknowledge it yet.  Do you now understand what the word God means…

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Gene: Mike, he certanly was not saying they were real God’s , why, because that would make him a liar, and we are told our God , does not lie.

Gene, I hear your claim above, and now I need you to stand and defend your claim that calling them “read gods” would make Yahweh a liar.  You have offered this as support…

Gene:  Isa 44:6…  beside “ME” t…

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Hi Gene, I’m going to address your claims individually, and I expect you to stand and defend each one of them individually, since you claim that you have never run away from any question on HN.

Gene: Mike, he certanly was not saying they were real God’s , why, because that would make him a liar, and we are told our God , does not lie.

Here is t…[Read more]

But they ARE two different gods, right? Because if the father is a god and the son is a god, and they are two different individual beings, then there is no other option except for them to be two different individual gods, right?

Whether they act in unison (united in purpose) or not, they’d still be two completely different individual gods – each…[Read more]

Berean, are you saying that one of God’s angels created God’s other angels?

Because the Bible chapters you listed don’t teach that as far as I know.

Maybe you could point to the exact verses that you think teach us what you’re telling me.

That doesn’t help with the problem at all.  I’m still trying to find out whether you think the father and the son are two different gods (two individual living beings), or two different persons who comprise one single god (a single living being).

Plus we have this new problem now…

I accept that the father can be both a god of other gods AND a…[Read more]

Now I’m confused again. Is the Father a god? Is the Son a god?
If so, we have two different gods who are united in purpose and vision.
By contrast, the Trinity Doctrine says that they are different persons that make up only one god.
I don’t see another option. They are either two persons who comprise one single being (one god), or they are two…[Read more]

Oh.  Well this is why the thread is a good idea. I have always thought you believed that it was like the Trinity Doctrine, except with only two Gods in the one Godhead.

Now it seems we are a lot closer than I thought we were, because I also believe that Jesus and his God are two individual gods.

Wait, are you saying that Yahweh the Father and “Yahweh the Son” are two completely different living beings?

Hey Berean, here’s another piece of evidence to support my theory that Satan was perfect in the Garden of Eden before he started messing with Adam and Eve…

Luke 4:5-7… 5Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6“I will give You authority over all these kingdoms and all the…[Read more]

Danny: Hi Mike,

I believe you are right.
Our God is indeed God of gods and Lord of lords.

Thanks Danny.  It’s hard for Yahweh to be the God of gods if there don’t exist other gods for Him to be the God of, right?  Also hard for Him to be the Most High God if there don’t exist other less high gods.

The fact that the Bible teaches about many go…[Read more]

Berean: As this text tells us, the war is between Michael (Jesus) and his angels and the Dragon (Satan) and his angels.

And this war started in HEAVEN….and we know that it continued and continues on earth….
ADAM AND EVE WERE THE FIRST VICTIMS OF THIS WAR ON EARTH….

Hi Berean, I don’t believe Michael is Jesus.  I understand why some people (like t…[Read more]

Gene:  Maybe we need to go back to elementary understanding again with you , ok , do you even know what a word even is?  To me and i assume the rest of the known world it means   an intellegent expression, rather in type or speech,  it’s still intellegent utterance.   Do you at least understand that? Yes or No please.

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Gene, you are pontificating (look it up) instead of directly and reasonably answering my questions – as per the Hot Seat rules of engagement.  Here’s where we’re at right now…

1.  You have said that “the Word God is not a person, it is a description of your  (relationship),  with something, anything…”

I’m asking you to prove that claim using…[Read more]

Mike: CARMEL, I’M ALSO WAITING FOR YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE PLURAL WORD “DAYS” REFERRING TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN LITERAL DAYS.

 

Carmel:   I’M AFRAID MR. RATIONAL,

YOU ARE INVENTING THINGS WHICH I NEVER HAD THE LEAST INTENTION TO SAY, NEVER MIND I SAID SO, PLEASE SUBSTANTIATE YOUR POINT AND PRODUCE MY POSTING!

Thank you for acknowledging that you n…[Read more]

Carmel: OK, Mike, the above INTRODUCTION is NOT referring to the heaven and the earth as such BUT specifically referring to THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH!

Fortunately, Brown-Driver-Briggs has the very verse we’re talking about as one of their examples.  Gen 2:4 is speaking of the ACCOUNT of the heaven and earth, when they we…[Read more]

Jeremiah 31:9-11…  For I am Israel’s Father, and Ephraim is My firstborn.” Hear, O nations, the word of Yahweh, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “He who scattered Israel will gather him and keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock. For Yahweh has ransomed Jacob and redeemed him from the hand that had overpowered him…

Do you unders…[Read more]

Okay, what is the group example?