Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,19:36)Hi ike:Paul said that “the god of this world has blinded…”.  Is not that what he said?And so, through this he acknowledges that Satan is “a god” to those who are blinded by his deception, and so, yes, he is a god to those who obey him.Marty, how many times do I have to say this?  1.  Did Paul obey Satan?  Y…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,12:59)I believe they are One God and One Spirit as the scriptures claim.Actually, You believe that the Son, Servant, Messiah, Lamb, Prophet and Priest OF our one and only Most High God actually IS the very God he is all these things OF.And you have the gall to say “LOL” to us?

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2013,14:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,12:59)LOLYou guys are to funny.You guys believe and and bow down to and serve 2 gods, the Father who you say is god and Jesus who you say is a god.Good post Keith!He's laughing at YOUR belief, Kathi…….. not ours. We worship and serve as our God only the one that our…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,12:59)So its back to the drawing board for you guys.Thankfully you started that “Drawing Board” thread then. Let's see how you start trying to “protect the scriptures from themselves” in that thread. I'll bite my tongue here, and deal with you over there.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2013,17:12)14And He hath been for a sanctuary, And for a stone of stumbling, and for a rock of falling, To the two houses of Israel, For a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Please answer:Who is identified as the stone and rock in Isaiah 8.Jehovah is the rock in Isaiah. Were there still TWO houses of…[Read more]

Really Marty?  Do you believe the guys who perform at kid's birthday parties really do magic?  Or do you realize they are illusions?   What man, now or then, can LITERALLY turn a wooden staff into a real snake?  Moses made it clear that these were not tricks by saying, “they did the same things”.So if theirs were tricks, then Jehovah turning the…[Read more]

Thanks Asana.Even the explanation Colter just gave makes no sense.  The Hebrew genealogies trace Noah all the way back to Adam anyway – flood or no flood.  So if they lied to bring Noah to Adam, then why did they NEED to invent the flood to do this? It is definitely an oversight by the men who wrote the UB, IMO.

Okay Abe and 2B,You guys are starting to really piss me off.  It is not a smart idea to piss off the moderator of the site.Listen closely:Pierre and I believe that there do indeed exist many gods, just like scripture CLEARLY teaches.  We believe that only one of these many gods is the MOST HIGH God, Jehovah.  And it is ONLY the MOST HIGH God Je…[Read more]

MartySo I guess we'll keep going over it until you accept the fact that as far as Paul was concerned, Satan was a god – EVEN THOUGH Paul didn't obey him.Are you ready to accept this plain to see scriptural FACT?Please ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Answer my questions, 2B. Do YOU personally consider Satan to be the God of this age? YES or NO?Do you personally cap the “G” when referring to gods that aren't Jehovah? YES or NO?If YES, then don't let me catch you NOT doing it in the future. If NO, then don't play dumb as if you don't know that a capital letter at the beginning of an English…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 12 2013,18:39)MIKE AND I BELIEVE IN ONLY ONE GOD JEHOVAH AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MEN AND GOD HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ,SO STOP LYINGAmen! I posted my response about 2B's lies before I even read that you said the same thing.I don't fault you for being upset, Pierre. It also upset me because 2B knows exactly what he's doing.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,18:47)Hi Pierre:Are we going to go over this over and over again?I have already acknowledged that Satan is called “the god of this world”, and he is “a god” to those who obey him………..But he was “a god” to Paul, and Paul didn't obey him……….. so your reasoning is faulty – as I've already shown you a couple of…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 12 2013,18:14)So then, Mike, Teraricca, LU, and Kerwin (?) would say:There is many Gods and one mediator between the many Gods and men, the God Christ Jesus.2B,I hope this is the last time you cap the “G” in “God” when claiming what I, Pierre, Kerwin, and Kathi believe.You have been corrected on this matter at least twice now.…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 12 2013,17:57)Mike, capital or small G makes no difference!So to you, Satan is the God of this age? How many translations cap the “G” in 2 Cor 4:4, 2B? How many of them cap the “G” when the god in question is not Jehovah?How then can you even keep a straight face when saying the case of the “G” makes no difference?

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 12 2013,17:56)Mike, Greek is:”Even truly IF indeed there are those CALLED gods….”Go on………………..What are the next words?

Also,Before we go too far, we should agree on a definition of “god/elohim/theos”, right?All scholars agree that the earliest known and most basic meaning of “el” is simply “mighty one”.  Jehovah is the Most High mighty one, but surely not the only mighty one.Webster's defines it this way:godAny of various beings conceived of as supernatural,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 12 2013,18:22)The false prophet according to the bible will have the power to deceive by even “calling fire from the sky”, but this is a delusion, just as the magicians duplicated some to the ten last plagues.Marty brings up a good one, Keith.  He even includes his “justification” as to why the gods of Egypt weren't really…[Read more]

Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed to demons, not God, to gods they had not known; to new gods who had recently come along, gods your ancestors had not known about.I have yet to find a commentator who says “that were no gods”, Keith.  All commentators, including Gill that Kathi just quoted, understand that these demons were gods, but not GOD.I…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 12 2013,05:50)bodhitharta, good get, but you left out an important, related fact as to why the Hebrew writers chose that legend of Noah when trying to retrace their bloodlines:“874.8) 78:7.3 Almost five thousand years later, as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,17:42)No It just means you believe in a trinity also for your salvation, right?How many words did Jesus himself write down for later generations, Keith?Who is it that told us there is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved?And wouldn't we include the person who actually wrote that down for us as…[Read more]