Mike:  Can you see that CLOUDS are explicitly mentioned as something OTHER THAN the “waters above heaven”?  YES or NO?

 

Pretender:  David or whoever is praising God and is speaking from his own understanding. 

Atta boy!  I knew I could get you there again if I remained persistent enough.  Phew!

So then what you’re saying is that this particula…[Read more]

Proclaimer: …waters above the heavens

Could be first heaven…

Scripture has debunked most of your ideas Mike.

I see.  So “waters above the heavens (PLURAL) could mean “waters above the first heaven (SINGULAR)”?  Is that your argument here?  It’s like I’m talking to a freaking idiot.  Hey, put your 12 year old son on the phone.  Let me talk…[Read more]

Pretender:  You have not debunked my multiple heavens idea and God called the raqia – heaven.

Multiple times and in multiple ways, Sport.  But I tell you what, don’t make this claim again until you are ready to INCLUDE my arguments in your post, and debunk them.

See, when YOU make an argument, I break it down into segments.  I quote a piece of Y…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Mike  you guys claim to bring back small boats from over the supposed curve. Great. Now for something easier. Bring back the sun.

Cat got your tongue?

Not at all.  I’ve already addressed this many times.  Find one of those posts, QUOTE what I said to you, and then respond to what I said.  You do it that way, and I’m happy to have a le…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Sounds like clouds to me.

Ha!  You were posting the answer to my question WHILE I was still posting the question!  😁

Okay then, let’s talk more about the clouds in the MIDDLE of the sky being the waters ABOVE the sky…

Psalm 148 is waiting for you…

Pretender…

1.  Can you see that the psalm is broken up into “things of heav…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I have never said this is the only interptetation. I have simply put forth a few views that you couldn’t debunk.

Like what?  I debunked your “multiple raqias” argument.  I debunked your “clouds in the MIDDLE of the sky are the waters ABOVE the sky” argument.  And I debunked your new desperation attempt “okay the waters might be above…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Further, in the Jewish calendar the year is 5783.

Yep, the world is about 6000 years old right now – give or take a few hundred.

Hi Jodi.  Happy Sunday.

It’s more likely than not that Micah 5:2 speaks of Jesus’s literal origins being from very ancient times.  I understand and acknowledge that you don’t WANT that to be the case, but it remains the most logical straightforward understanding of the Hebrew text.

It’s also more likely than not that John 8:58 has Jesus a…[Read more]

Pretender: …even if you are right about the raqia thing, it doesn’t prove a flat earth. I admit it is possible that there could be water outside the universe…

 

You have been totally wrecked with the facts, but just ignore them.

Notice how the first line doesn’t quite match the second.  “You were RIGHT all along… but you have also been WR…[Read more]

LU:  Mike, Jesus is claiming to be the elohim of Psalms 82:8.

No he’s not, based on his own reply to the Jews.  When he references Psalm 82, he mentions only that other spirit sons of God were also called gods.  He doesn’t mention the “O God” in verse 8 – so whether or not that particular “O God” is Yahweh or His holy servant Jesus is ir…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Psalm 148 clearly distinguishes clouds as something OTHER THAN the waters above heaven.

What is your response to that Biblical fact?

Mike: Therefore, the waters above are not only above the raqia, but also above the luminaries that are IN the raqia.

 

It doesn’t matter if you call it “skies”, because then the luminaries would be IN the skies and the waters would still be ABOVE the skies.

 

Pretender: Great, let’s call it skies then.

 

God makes some sky between the water…

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Mike: Berean, 👍🙂🙏😁

 

Proclaimer: Translation:  As long as you support flat earth and myself, I will give you a thumbs up.

See, this is what 14 years of practice does for me.  I immediately recognize that your mindless insult-laden fluff piece is your way of admitting defeat while trying to keep your prideful superiority complex in…[Read more]

Pretender: Yes, the Lord dwells in heaven.

But are you saying that heaven was not created?

If it was, then before creation God was not in heaven.

Simple.

Yep, it really IS that simple.  That’s why Berean and Danny both posted information on this subject for you… information that you ignored despite Danny throwing it back in the thread and t…[Read more]

Berean:  The raqyia of Genesis 1 IS SPECIFIC AND FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE   THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS EVOLVE ON IT (UPPER LAYER) AND THE BIRDS ALSO. NOT FORGETTING THE CLOUDS (BOTTOM LAYER)

 

Proclaimer:  What is the main proof you have to support this? Keep it simple please.

 

Berean:  This is what Genesis 1 teaches.

 

Proclaimer: 

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Pretender and Gene (As Seen on TV) Balthop…

FACT #1… The Hebrew word “yowm” – just like our English word “day” – can be used idiomatically to refer to a general, unspecified period of time, ie: “back in the day of Abraham Lincoln”.

FACT #2…  The plural word “days” has never – in the Bible or in the entire history of mankind – been used in…[Read more]

Pretender:  God called the raqia – heaven. Is there just one heaven.

There is just one raqia.  Stars are IN it, and waters are ABOVE it.  Trying to conflate raqia and heaven exposes your desperation as much as when you try to insert a bunch of illegitimate words for raqia.

The bottom line is that you can call the raqia “expanse”, “sky”, “hea…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……EVERYONE  knows,  when you look up into the  “skys/ heavens, you can see the stars, the sun,  moon, and EVEN clouds , that contntan water and rains on this earth…

Yes Gene.  But the waters above are above the stars, so they are not clouds.  Listen once again…

God created the raqia to separate the waters below the raqia from t…[Read more]

Berean, 👍🙂🙏😁

Jodi:  Mike, yes I understand that if you believe “I am” is to be interpreted through historical present tense, the meaning would be rendered as “I existed”. 

I get it,  just as the Jews thought you think likewise, the only way for Jesus to have said what he said is if Jesus existed during Abraham’s day, so in verse 58 Jesus was extending to…

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