Quote (942767 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:41)Hi Mike:I thought that it was you who were trying to prove that “the word” is Jesus?Actually, I just did a fine job of that in my last post to you in the “Coptic” thread.I don't claim that every time the word “word” is used in scripture, it refers to Jesus. Only in John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 1:1-2, and Revelation…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 20 2013,22:01)Mike,Hebrews 11:3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. The word that does these things is more than just spoken or written communications.Okay Kerwin. Now we're…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2013,17:12)Hi t8:I indicated that I agreed with Ed that the wrangling done relative to John 1 is based on the presumption that “The Word” is Jesus as a sentient person.But Marty,It isn't US who do any “wrangling”.  We read that the Word was with God in the beginning.  And then we read that Jesus had glory alongside his G…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 21 2013,11:17)It was Jesus who declared the Father, and it was Jesus who is the “Only Begotten Son”,So then it was Jesus who became flesh and dwelt on earth with the glory of the only begotten Son of God?After all, like you just said, nobody else ever became flesh and dwelt on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son,…

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21)WAIT…..The ONE GOD the Father part is not exaggerated it is LITERAL. There are not many gods that are actually gods, that number is and will remain 0.Who told you that, Asana?  Certainly not scripture.Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 20 2013,16:21)I do not agree with multiple lords eitherThat belief is also…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:35)…….you don't even seem to understand what you don't agree with, so for now it's best to stick with your current beliefs.I don't agree that the Son OF the only “Eternal Creator God” could BE that very same “Eternal Creator God” that he is the Son OF.And I will stick with my current beliefs – for they are ones…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,16:29)We will bid farewell to Christ where he is resident on the headquarters world at “the right hand of the Father” We will continue on through many more phases as we make our way to Paradice where we will one day stand in the presence of the Eternal God.So we'll bid farewell to Christ – only to continue on the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 21 2013,14:02)Jesus said: you are gods. Therfore angels are also gods.Amen to that!When Jehovah is called “the God of gods”, these are the gods Jehovah is the God of.  When Jehovah is called “the Most High God”, these are the less high gods that Jehovah is higher than.And it's important to remember that MOST of these other…[Read more]

Well said, Wakeup.The NIV version of Hosea 12:4 makes more sense to me:He struggled with the angel and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor.We must also pay attention to the fact that neither the Greek nor the Hebrew languages use an indefinite article.  So Gen 32:28 could be translated as “you have struggled with gods and with humans…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2013,02:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,15:08)So TWO gods, then? One of whom was WITH the other?You won't get a straight answer here Mike, but the answer is clearly yes.If the Word is God and the Word was WITH God, then God was WITH God which makes two Gods.Yeah, the last time I checked, 1+1 still equaled 2.

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2013,09:16)Yes, Mike, The Word, or Logos, that is what God had stated pertaining to Jesus, became a reality, and he dwelt among humanity as the Only Begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and truth, and revealing the character of the Father through his life.  John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2013,13:14)The “word of God” in Hebrews 11 appear to mean that the worlds were framed by the declaration of God's mind as he spoke the worlds into existence.So then “word” in that verse simply refers to a spoken word, or a set of spoken words, right?After all, a “declaration” is simply words that someone spoke, right?But…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2013,12:29)Yes, Mike, God's plan for his creation was with him when he began to create…….So if I make some plans for a vacation this winter, I can say that those plans are with me?    You are reaching, Marty.  And your conclusion is nonsensical.Quote (942767 @ Aug. 20 2013,12:29)The plan itself is not God Al…[Read more]

I don't mind when someone quotes scripture…….. as long as they say in their own words what point they think those scriptures are making, and why they are relevant to the current discussion.Just posting scriptures as an answer usually doesn't do anyone any good.BTW, I am fine and dandy. I truly enjoy my life day by day, and thank God for how…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,13:50)No one gets to the Father except through him.Why go THROUGH Jesus to GET TO the Father if we have already REACHED the Father when we reach Jesus? Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN man and God, Colter. He is a priest OF God.

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,04:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:25)Colter, do you believe Jesus IS the Father God?  YES or NO?YesAt the same time the disciples were right to refer to the Father as distinct from the Son in an absolute sense.Hmmm……….Seems like you're giving mixed signals. But then, according to you, Jesus and the…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 20 2013,05:46)(4.7) 0:2.13 2. God the Son — Co-ordinate Creator, Spirit Controller, and Spiritual Administrator. The Eternal Son, the Second Person of Deity.Didn't you just scold t8 for implying that Jesus was the “second person in your trinity”? Okay. So it seems that “God the Son” is someone OTHER THAN “God the Father”, r…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 20 2013,01:28)The truth is that there is only one true God, and one true Lord.And which one is our “only one true lord”? The Father? Or the Son?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,22:16)Polytheism (from the Greek: polus, many, and theos, god) refers to belief in, or worship of, multiple gods or deities.Do you believe in multiple gods? Yes or No? If you are you are a PolytheistAgreed.  I am in fact a polytheist when you use the “belief in OR worship of” definition.  Some dictionaries lump t…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,22:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,14:22)So the LITERAL part of the statement is the “many lords” part, right?And the EXAGGERATED part of the statement is the “one lord Jesus Christ” part, right?Agreed!Likewise, since scriptures testify to the existence of many gods, the “indeed there ARE many gods” part of…[Read more]