Quote (942767 @ Sep. 28 2013,14:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,07:22)David started the psalm by asking that question, and then went on to describe the terrible state he (or Jesus on the stake) was in, and then concluded in the end that God had never actually forsaken him.Jesus didn't say those words to convey that he actually believed God had…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 30 2013,14:56)God lives in Jesus through his Spirit and before the world God possessed Jesus' glory and held it until the time he would come to inherit it. Hence:(UNQUOTE).Closer, Wakeup. Now instead of (UNQUOTE) in parenthesis at the end, use in brackets. Don't forget the forward slash.

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,19:26)Kerwin.You are ignoring jesis words again and again.He said that *HE* had glory with the Father*before the world was*.Do you hear that, Kerwin? HE had glory with God before the world began.I give up. I've been over and over this with Kerwin, and he constantly ALTERS scriptural words to make his own personal…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,17:58)So your chosen teaching is Jesus emptied himself of power and took on the form of a servant; who was not empty of power, as is revealed by the miracles he did.Jesus didn't DO the miracles, Kerwin. God performed the miracles THROUGH Jesus. Would you like the scripture?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,17:45)As soon as the Word was made flesh Jesus became the being that embodies the idea of the word to the fullest extent possible.So you honestly answered “YES” to ALL of my Word/Jesus comparisons. And you acknowledge that Jesus is “the Word” in Rev 19:13.But because you are dead set against acknowledging that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,16:28)Mike,Quote .. for Jesus to ever empty himself and take on that lowly flesh form again.That does not make sense as a body is a vessel and it is the contents of a vessel you empty not the vessel.Kerwin,You exist within a wonderful body made of flesh, blood and bones. That body enables you to live on earth in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 28 2013,16:19)Mike,In no passage, including John 1, is the Word a being. Even when Philo called it an archangel he was not saying it is a being. Scripture, and Philo emulating it, treats it as a being for reasons of communications. I do the same.Well,We KNOW that the Word became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,15:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,02:05)So then the Word has always been a living entity OTHER THAN God Himself?Yes; But remember; He was brought forth out of Godbefore the world and the angels were made.All things were brought forth from God, Wakeup. What is the other option?

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 29 2013,03:03)Jesus did not say I am not a spirit yet but I soon will become one.You are correct that Jesus didn't specifically say those words, Kerwin.But we know from other scriptural words that Jesus did become a spirit. And we know that lowly flesh bodies are transformed into spiritual, heavenly bodies. And we know that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,22:57)Quote (2besee @ Sep. 29 2013,13:18)Wakeup,As was water baptism for the Jew and gentile, but you disagree with that also.Should I go on?Besee.Dont start twisting my words.I BELIEVE IN WATER BABTISM.What I dont believe is, You saying born of the spirit is born again at baptism.john 3.You are also twisting Jesus own…[Read more]

Quote The ones who deny the true resurrection of Jesus' flesh also deny the power of God – and that today is the JWs. Of such Paul told us to keep away.2B,I have discussed this in length with David, our resident JW.  And although my understanding of scripture is often aligned with the JW's understanding, this is one of the times where we…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 28 2013,16:30)Kerwin.The ones who live by the Spirit will live forever.We receive and live by the Spirit through faith in Jesus' words.There is only one way to live forever.Note: If I am not understanding you correctly then please help me understand.Hi Wakeup,You did the first part right.  You hit the “Quote” button, and then…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,08:06)So, as Jesus completed “His mission”, He looked to heaven and said, “and NOW, Father, glorify me (not give me back glory, but GLORIFY me) in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.”You see..it was WITH GOD that the glory existed. Jesus makes no claim of having that glory himself…..Are…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,08:06)You can keep trying to get me to “change my mind” by changing Paul's words..but I will just stick to Paul's actual words.I will not be persuaded by repeated attempts to question my integrity. I will be persuaded by proof. The fact remains there is a difference between “exiting” and “existed/was existing”. This is a…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:58)John 6:46 (NIV)46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.  I could go on..this is one verse where it seems ALL the translations agree..they ALL say that no man has seen God EXCEPT Jesus!!Okay…… honest mistake. You are highlighting the word “except”.So in your…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:47)He was made a man..not “in the likeness of man.”So although existing (present tense word conveying a past tense occurrence) in the form of a man, he hadn't yet been made in the LIKENESS of a man?

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now?  YES or NO?No!!Does Elijah exist in heaven right now? YES or NO?

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:38)The problem is that you don't recognize Paul was making a huge CONTRAST between the form of God and the form of a slave in this case.OF COURSE I do!! Paul made it clear. Taking on the form of a servant is what PROVED that He did not seek to be equal with God!Taking on the form…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:19)Clark Kent, although existing in the form of Superman, emptied himself and took on the form of a regular old human being.Thank you Mike..you are getting there.This is a PERFECT example.Now, be honest, did Clark Kent ever really stop being Superman? Or, was he still Superman,…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Sep. 28 2013,11:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,01:29)I see no scriptural or logical reason for Jesus to ever empty himself and take on that lowly flesh form again.Mike,I agree, and all of us on heaven net should do like wise………Charles,I appreciate the fact that you continue to copy and paste only the part of the other…[Read more]