Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 10 2013,16:00)Marty.Colossians 1:16.   ***For by him were all things created***, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:*** all things were created by him, and for him***: Refering to Jesus:Revelation 4:11   Thou art worthy, O L…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,06:19)I did voice the opinion that paraphrase is more subject to individual bias than a word for word translation.I repeat:  Paraphrasing is the art of conveying the SAME EXACT MEANING using different words.And I hope you'll agree that #1 in my previous post is NOT actually a “paraphrase” of #2.  Instead, they both s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,19:34)Nerveless it is true that the Word is made flesh is the same as saying “The Holy Spirit came to be in someone” because the Holy Spirit reveals the word. It is also the same as saying the word is manifest in the flesh.1. God was IN Jesus, doing the works.2. God BECAME Jesus, and did the works.Kerwin, the day…[Read more]

Wakeup,The last post I wrote is my last word on the subject for now. You will not convince me using a failed logic that something that once WAS God Almighty Himself later became someone who was no longer God Almighty Himself.Your understanding calls for one of the following:1. Jesus actually IS Jehovah God Almighty.2. God Almighty became NOT…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 09 2013,20:11)I also noticed you picked the easiest scripture that is not completely specific to my point,I answered the first one on the page, Gene.  Did you make a note of it so you don't ever have to ask me to explain that one again?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 09 2013,20:11)Please answer this ONE,1 Cor 8:4……….…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,23:29)Mike, Sorry if I appear to get frustrated but I cant believe how long this is taking to get across.Daniel, you don't need to “get it across” to me.  I've known from the outset what it is you're claiming, because I've heard it all before.It's just that I can't learn the things you are telling me from any…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,03:19)So you are dictating what John should have written as he was led by the Holy Spirit?How could I possibly dictate TODAY what was already written 2000 years ago?  Instead, it is YOU who is TRYING TO (unsuccessfully) dictate what John should have written – by ADDING your own words into what he did write.You think…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,18:18)Mike Satan a arch angel doesn't have the same spirit nature as the father does he?Of course he does.  Why wouldn't he?Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,18:18)Monkeys and humans dont have the same flesh nature do we?There are different kinds of flesh, but yes, we and monkeys share a flesh nature.  We are both flesh a…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,18:12)Jesus is the expressed substance of the father………Which scripture says this?Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,18:12)Jesus is the mediator as a man he is the lamb of God and priest as a **man**What his other nature mike…..So then your answer to all five of my points is “YES”?You DO accept Jesus as the mediator…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 09 2013,18:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2013,11:30)Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 08 2013,18:26)16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony…That verse places Jesus higher than the angel he sent, right?  Because the one who is sent is not as great as the one who sends him, correct?  Jesus actually taught us this in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,01:14)Remember; the Word of God has always been in God.He was not created by God, but brought forth;out of God himself.No.  Jesus, the Word of God, had origins.  (Micah 5:2)  He has not existed from eternity.And if he was “brought forth, out of God”, and became an individual being with his own mind, will, and heart, th…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 08 2013,20:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2013,10:54)Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 08 2013,04:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:07)Does Psalm 146:6 teach us that Jehovah made HIMSELF?  Or does your common sense tell you that the words, “everything in them” mean “everything in them EXCEPT FOR JEHOVAH HIMSELF”? Which one,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2013,21:17)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Do you believe the “hosts of heaven” in that verse were angels? I don't know for sure but I do believe they were creatures of heaven.So then, “creatures of heaven” are spirits, right?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 09 2013,09:33)Mike………..Here is some more scriptures you need to answer, Mal 2:10…..> have we not all one Father? Has not “ONE” God created us I'll RE-answer one scripture per post, Gene. Make a note of my answers somewhere, so you don't have to tell me that I didn't answer them later, okay?There is only one…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 09 2013,00:10)Mike while you say we don't answer your scripture quotes, but it is you who have failed to answer ours. I quoted to you direct scripture that proves our point but you as always just ignore them , how meany scriptures do we have to post about there being ONLY “one” true God , why don't you deal with those…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2013,18:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:17)1.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten?  3.  Are you telling me that it is a SA…[Read more]

If John 1:14 was talking about the first instance of God placing His word in someone's heart, then that's what John 1:14 would have said.  And to say that, John would have written his words the way you guys ALTER THEM to be.  He would have written, “The Word came to be IN a flesh person.”But John was NOT talking about the “in those days” that G…[Read more]

Okay, now that we've put  all the nonsense and denial of the last couple posts behind us, I would like a DIRECT and HONEST answer to my question:But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O False and Untrue God, will last for ever and ever;    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.”Gene and Marty, does the translation above correc…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Oct. 07 2013,21:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,11:38)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,09:47)The glory that Jesus had existed WITH GOD. Now, I am not “just saying that.” I get my understanding from the fact that Jesus NEVER says “give me BACK the glory..”. Would it not make more sense for Him to say that, IF He in fact DID HAVE it in…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Oct. 07 2013,21:26)So, you reject the word of God that clearly states that Jesus was “in the image of God” during His whole life?I only say this because you claim that He “stopped” being in the image of God.I don't believe such a statement is ever actually made in any scripture, but NO, I don't reject such a thing.  God said, “Let…[Read more]