Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2013,19:49)Lets consider this verse again;Psalms 33:6   By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.So everything God speaks (his word) comes out of his mouth.  Whether his Word is in him or beside him, it's still his breath because he controls it.Man, beast and a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2013,17:53)I will judge which I feel fit in with the conversation and are significant.Okay.  If and when you feel fit to answer all nine exactly as I've asked, I will continue on with this discussion.BTW, your “dress” analogy is SO not applicable.  Perhaps, when the day comes that people can say, “Human beings consist of D…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 03 2013,21:51)Kerwin,The Word was made, made, made, flesh.From *flesh to flesh* as you say it is.This alone is a strange, and contradicting interpretation.I say from spirit to flesh. Made from one thing to another thing.wakeup.So simple – yet so brilliantly put. Well done, Wakeup.

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 12 2013,20:17)First of all, the Word is not a creature.  It is spirit.Angels are also spirit.  Are they creations?Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 12 2013,20:17)The Word was always inside God from everlasting.The same could be said about every single thing in existence today.  All things originally came out from God.  What other cho…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 03 2013,19:27)This thread is a continuation of part of a conversation between Mike and me in the Who is the Word thread.Miike wrote in response to my earlier words:Quote Kerwin, if God chose to cause Michael the archangel to be conceived in the womb of a human woman tomorrow, could we later say about Michael:1.  He was turned…[Read more]

Wakeup, Listen very carefully, and just DIRECTLY address my point, okay? I don't need you to post the same huge “explanation” over and over. I'm having a problem WITH that explanation, and am asking for CLARIFICATION to solve that problem. And you continuing to post the same thing over and over is NOT clarifying what I need to be clarified.You…[Read more]

1. Where are you seeing “demon” in that passage?2. Isn't it logical that “the hosts of heaven” in that passage are God's angels?3. Isn't it also logical that the “spirit” that came forth with the idea was one of those “hosts of heaven” that were discussing this matter with God?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 13 2013,08:31)Are your words “with” you? or are they not “with” you? You and your words are the same thing T8……….Gene, t8 used to speak words to convince people of a Trinity Godhead, in his past.  Are those words still “WITH” t8?  Are those words “the same thing as t8” – who has since changed his understanding a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 13 2013,04:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,04:47)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2013,23:02)If I taught that the Word was a god, then I would have to allow for the Word was THE God too.That is just silly.  Does 2 Cor 4:4 force you to allow for Satan being “THE God”?  Of course not.Besides, in the Greek language, Jesus is called “the g…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2013,08:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,07:51)1.  God was IN Jesus, doing the works.2.  God BECAME Jesus, and did the works.Kerwin, do YOU think both of my two statements mean the same thing?  YES or NO?Mike,Yes, in the ways I am speaking they mean the same thing.Game, set, and match.  Kerwin, if you seriously bel…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2013,07:57)You are so not making your case.  My case has not only been made, but won.  Your insistence on altering scriptural teachings to FORCE them to not teach my case is really of no consequence to anyone seeking the truth of the matter.Your own words have admitted that John 1:14 COULD BE understood my way.  Now, le…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,12:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2013,06:12)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2013,21:17)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Do you believe the “hosts of heaven” in that verse were angels? I don't know for sure but I do believe they were creatures of heaven.So then, “creatures of heaven” are spirits, right?Mike,I believe is also called the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,16:57)Gene,Your words sound right.Maybe Gene could also answer that question.Gene, do my two statements mean the same thing? YES or NO?

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,16:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2013,21:13)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,19:34)Nerveless it is true that the Word is made flesh is the same as saying “The Holy Spirit came to be in someone” because the Holy Spirit reveals the word.  It is also the same as saying the word is manifest in the flesh.1.  God was IN J…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,16:45)Mike,What you say John 1:14 says is not what it literally says. What you are saying with your meaning is that a creature called the word was made into a human being by transformation.  I disagree.But CAN John 1:14 be saying what I believe it says?  Is it POSSIBLE, knowing that Jesus is indeed called “the Word” i…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 12 2013,15:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,03:04)1.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God were both with God and were God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that the SAYINGS of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten?  3.  Are you telling me that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 10 2013,22:32)2.God does not become anything but God. It is his *Word* that became flesh.So if “God Himself” is not what “became flesh”, then “the Word” could not have actually BEEN “God Himself”, right?And therefore, the translation “and the Word was God” is flawed, illogical, and inaccurate, right?

No Gene.I reject your “answer” because it starts off with, “Jesus is not being called a GOD”.Yet the words say, But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever………“The Son” is definitely the one being called “O God” by Jehovah Himself in that verse.So answer the question ACCORDINGLY, and then we can move f…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 10 2013,22:49)Oh or are you going to use the very dodgy new world translation from the watch tower that ***ADDS***** the words ALL ***OTHER** things where created. Because they dont want to admit that Jesus is eternal.You mean like many translations add the word “other” into verses like these:2 Kings 25:28 NIV He spoke kindly…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 11 2013,19:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2013,10:57)Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2013,18:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 08 2013,11:17)1.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God was both with God and was God in the beginning?  2.  Are you telling me that a SAYING of God actually became a flesh and blood man, who dwelled on earth wi…[Read more]