Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to get a STRAIGHT answer.

Quote (4Thomas @ Oct. 29 2013,17:58)New International VersionNo one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.Okay Daniel,Let's discuss each of those “proof texts”, one at a time, and find out if they REALLY say what you claim they say. I've quoted the first…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,02:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,06:13)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,17:50)Am I warm to what you mean in any of these?Coming with God's glory and God's angels means with bright lights, lightning bolts, thunder, trumpeter heralding, all kinds of supernatural and powerful displays, eyes of blazing fire, shooting…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,02:44)There is no argument I know that supports the translation chose be the vast majority of translators that Jesus still had holes in him but tradition.Well, let's see:Thomas said he would NOT believe unless he could put his fingers in the hole.Then Thomas met up with Jesus, and Jesus said, “Put your finger here; s…[Read more]

So in your thinking, the body Jesus was raised from the dead in – the one with scars and holes – is the new glorified body in which Jesus exists now at the right hand of God?

“NO” IS the answer to my question? Or “No Mike, that ISN'T my answer to your question”?Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T. Which one do you say?

Wakeup and journey,I used that same passage against Kerwin's claim earlier.  It is that passage that got him to change from “ALL angels are flesh”, to “only SOME of them are flesh”.But why do you guys think this spirit who deceived the prophets was an “evil spirit”, or a son of Satan?  Wasn't it God who told him, “Deceive and overpower him. Go o…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 30 2013,16:54)So you must find another example for BODIED Spirits, because that one is sure wrong.Gene,I live in Arizona, where “dust devils” are common. When that body of wind picks up the dust of the desert and moves it around, humans can see the body of wind with their own eyes.Water is another thing that…[Read more]

Kerwin,Wakeup is right here.  You are the one taking it upon yourself to pretend the teaching that all angels are (not “have”) ministering spirits is flawed, and that angels have flesh.If YOU cannot prove such a thing from any scripture, then YOU shouldn't make such a claim in the first place.Wakeup is also right that the ONLY reason you are…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,17:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:44)So then your FINAL answer is that SOME angels of God and Satan are truly spirit beings, while OTHER angels of God and Satan have “spiritual flesh”?Mike,It seems so from what is written in Job.  Micaiah's words seem to hint that way as well.Angel “flesh” is not human flesh.I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,17:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:52)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13)Your only real sticking point because you choose to disregard evidence that Jews, like Paul, used “flesh and blood” as an idiom to mean mortal.Kerwin,When Paul was explaining about the differences between the flesh of people, animals,…[Read more]

From NETNotes:The precise meaning of לִּילִית (lilit) is unclear, though in this context the word certainly refers to some type of wild animal or bird. The word appears to be related to לַיְלָה (laylah, “night”). Some interpret it as the name of a female night demon, on the basis of an apparent Akkadian cognate used as the name of a demon. Lat…[Read more]

So your answer to my simple and direct question at the end of my last post is: “NO” ?

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,17:50)Am I warm to what you mean in any of these?Coming with God's glory and God's angels means with bright lights, lightning bolts, thunder, trumpeter heralding, all kinds of supernatural and powerful displays, eyes of blazing fire, shooting fire out of mouths, etc.When Moses asked to see God's glory, what did God…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,17:37)Mike,Thomas had not seen Jesus yet so why would he believe Jesus was walking around mortally wounded?  If you were to tell me a person was walking around alive after they were dead on three days then the last thing I would believe is that they still bore the wounds that killed them in the first place.Kerwin,Your…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 24 2013,23:45)Mike B.Do you notice John said:And the Word  **WAS** God? (not *IS* God).He used the word **WAS** **because** there was nothing else,but God. Just God and nothing; just empty space.But YOU don't say the Word ***WAS*** God, do you?  Instead, YOU say the Word ***WAS INSIDE OF*** God, right?Besides, that brings us r…[Read more]

Never mind. I see you did your normal job of “dodging” and “confusing”.Nothing in your subsequent posts adequately ADDRESSED Wakeup's point, Kerwin.

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:01)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,05:52)Wakeup,Yes,  Jesus was born of the Spirit the first time and so unlike other men does not need to be born again.Kerwin.When you are born of the spirit;you are spirit.(Jesus words).Was Jesus flesh or spirit?You said that Jesus was born of the spirit,and no need to be born…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13)Your only real sticking point because you choose to disregard evidence that Jews, like Paul, used “flesh and blood” as an idiom to mean mortal.Kerwin,When Paul was explaining about the differences between the flesh of people, animals, birds, and fish, did the word “flesh” literally MEAN “flesh”?  Or did it mean…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:13)We must conceived and born the new man and that is a change of spirit and not flesh.Oh. So then Jesus REALLY taught Nicodemus that flesh gives birth to flesh, and spirit gives birth to a different kind of “spiritual flesh”, but it is still flesh nonetheless? Come on, Man!