Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 03 2013,09:42)So in reality, Isaiah 45:7 COULD BE saying that Jehovah is the one who “dispatches adversity”.I was just reading in the other thread, and saw that Pierre listed this translation:BBE ©I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,09:08)Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,      **and create evil**:              ***I the LORD do all these things***.Wakeup,If the KJV got “the LORD” part wrong in that verse you quoted, perhaps they got the “evil” part wrong as well.Consider that in the KJV, that same Hebrew word “ra”…[Read more]

Hi All,I believe Tigger's point is that the KJV translates the tetragrammaton as “Jehovah” in at least one verse.  So if they decided on “Jehovah” (as opposed to “Yahweh” or whatever) in that one verse, then why didn't they follow through all the other times the tetragrammaton was written in the Hebrew texts?For example, David wrote in Psalm 110, “…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 01 2013,00:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2013,11:53)Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T.  Which one do you say?Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.He is; and…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 31 2013,19:04)KerwinI have provided proof to Pierre that God creates evil.Now you are attacking my KJV bible,claiming yours is superior,therefore THEY should make this a NON KJV site,for what scriptures we provide is null and void in your eyes.That's a pretty harsh comment to someone who was merely pointing out that the…[Read more]

I don't have time to read those things, 2B. Just tell me if Irenaeus believes flesh and bone human beings dwell in the spiritual realms of heaven.

Pomp and circumstance.  Great beauty and power.  Intense awe.Definitely not “saving a sinner” or the glory of a regular old human being.Now, which “glory” fits better with Jesus “sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven”? Which fits better with Jesus coming “from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,19:30)To all,Then there is these words from RevelationsRevelation 18:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 30 2013,17:37)But Kerwin has missed the meaning of this prophecy, which is the real message.Hi journey,I don't believe Kerwin's intention with this thread was to discuss that actual prophecy.  I believe he's testing whether or not “Lilith” was a real female demonic being.Perhaps you could start a thread on what the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 30 2013,22:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,10:28)Wakeup, why are you being so elusive about this?Either the Word actually WAS God Almighty Himself in the beginning, or he WASN'T.  Which one do you say?Mike B.The Word is NOT God, NOT God.He is; and always will be the Word of God.wakeup.Once again, you've eluded the actual…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2013,18:03)There is no Hebrew equivalent for the English word “evil”. It doesn't exist in that language.Thanks for the info, 2B. I'll also point out that when you read “evil spirit” in the NT, the Greek actually says “unclean spirit”.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,18:13)Mike,You do not believe angels are non-corporeal beings.I believe angels are spirits who possess spiritual bodies.  The standard definition of “non-corporeal” is useless when discussing things not of this world.  I've listed examples where that word doesn't even always apply when discussing certain things that A…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 30 2013,17:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,04:16)Kerwin,The point is that when Paul used the word “flesh” in describing the various animals, man included, he actually MEANT “flesh” – and not some abstract meaning.So why then would you think he DIDN'T actually mean “flesh” when he said “flesh and blood cannot inherit the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,03:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 31 2013,05:30)So in your thinking, the body Jesus was raised from the dead in – the one with scars and holes – is the new glorified body in which Jesus exists now at the right hand of God?Mike,Paul teaches us those that are resurrected from the burial place do not have the same body that…[Read more]

Kerwin,Please answer the bolded question in the other post from yesterday.

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,14:51)Mike,Quote So you tell me, Kerwin…… did Jesus tell Thomas to put his hand into his side?  And was it at that point that Thomas believed?No, as Jesus is recorded in Koine Greek and the word “en” has meanings the word “in” does not, “eis” another Koine Greek word has different meanings than “into”.  Jesus t…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 31 2013,17:48)Ra'  =  adversety.Did God not create the adversary/satan?wakeup.Sure He did, Wakeup. But was Satan “evil” or an “adversary” when God created him? Did God purposely create Satan to be evil?I say no. And since you believe Ezekiel 28:11-19 refers to Satan, your answer also must be “No”, right?

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 31 2013,17:38)Isaiah 45:7English Standard Version (ESV)7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things.Good point, Kerwin. “Evil” is not the only way that Hebrew word can be translated. It is very hard for me to think my Creator actually “created”…[Read more]

Wakeup and journey,I've read your responses, and have heard what you're saying. I, however, disagree with you.It is not beyond God to use deception to further His goal, and therefore we should not assume an angel who was willing to use deception is of Satan.Consider the angel that killed 185,000 living human beings. Was that “angel of Jehovah”…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2013,19:38)All:  Be careful what you read here.My Bible (The Jerusalem Bible) says:”Then the spirit came forward and stood before Yahweh.”Yes 2B,That was the point we were making to Kerwin – who was under the impression that angels are not spirits, but flesh beings.We were pointing out to him that the angel in that verse…[Read more]