Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2013,22:19)I don't know but I do know that it is unsound to use the word “all” unless you know “all” languages used during that age.Kerwin,Unless you actually know of another language of that time period that DID use an indefinite article, and into which the NT was translated – then why bust David's chops?He is making the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2013,17:28)Pierre,You ought to study the Targums to find out what the Jews thought of as “the Word of the LORD.” The 'Word' meant something significant to the OT Israelites and they equated the “Word of the LORD” with the LORD when He appeared or spoke to humans.Kathi,There are SO MANY times that kind of language is used…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2013,15:24)Jammin,I already did as you requested and you have failed to prove that the clause “the word is God” does not mean the word and God share the characteristic of being divine.Kerwin,What if it said, “and the Word was Abraham Lincoln”?Would you believe that the Word actually WAS Abraham Lincoln – as was clearly…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 17 2013,13:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 07 2013,09:25)Does John 1:14 tell us that THE WORD made his dwelling among us and was full of grace and truth?  YES or NO?No, Mike, it does not state that.Love in Christ,Marty14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,11:55)Yes.  Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him.Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior.  It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.Mike B.What a s…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 18 2013,21:59)You guys remind me of Job's friends.Wakeup and journey,Do you guys acknowledge that Jesus and NT writers quoted the LXX version of the OT – and not just the Hebrew version?Have you read the 2nd and 3rd posts on page 6 of the “Slays the Dragon” thread?Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2013,14:00)Kerwin,you said;Quote I have seen where the NIV sticks to the Hebrew Masoretic text even when traditional translation favor the various Koine Greek manuscripts that are worded in accordance to more traditional translations.What I have seen leads me to think it may be a translation choice in that they are what…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:15)All you hebrew scholars will find one day.But not the truth.wakeup.I wonder which language the KJV scholars translated the OT from.And I wonder how they came to know what those words of a different language meant so they could translate them into English.Perhaps they spent years learning the things that we are…[Read more]

Yes Kerwin.  This is one of the times I mentioned to journey in the “LXX” thread – where Jesus quoted the LXX version – and not the Hebrew version.The LXX version is as follows:Isaiah 61 LXX1 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me; he has sent me to preach glad tidings to the poor, to heal the broken in heart, to proclaim…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 17 2013,09:33)It is a good argument: the father is called almighty repeatedly.  Jesus, while called a mighty god, isn't called almighty.  Maybe I should stop saying that.Yeah, I see your point.  But like I told Jack, it's really six of one and a half dozen of the other.If “el” means “mighty one”, and Jehovah is the ONLY “<…[Read more]

Hi journey,The LXX, although being a Greek translation of the Hebrew OT, often worded the scriptures in a way that fit the Greek language better. (Like we often re-word the Hebrew and Greek to make better sense to us in English.)But the telling thing is that many of the times the NT writers quote scriptures from the OT, they are quoting it as it…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 16 2013,13:40)It's bad news for the JW's because they trust the English translations which say “almighty,” and then argue that there is a hiercarchy of Gods, the one who is almighty (the Father), and the lesser God who is just mighty (Jesus).The JWs (or any other non-Trinitarian, for that matter) don't actually NEED the…[Read more]

ED J used to tell me that “El Shaddai” means “The Breasted One” – a thought that is mentioned in the NETNotes info I posted above. Something to do with fertility, I guess.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:15)YOU WORSHIP THE SON: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER. YOU WORSHIP THE FATHER: SAME AS YOU WORSHIP THE SON.FATHER AND SON SITS ON THE SAME THRONE.Wrong on all counts.We honor the Father. Likewise, we should also honor the Son He sent.Worship, on the other hand, is due only to the Father – not the Son.Jesus and the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,20:36)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 15 2013,10:52)Wakeup,The Hebrew word means “male temple prostitute”.The AKJV gets it wrong.The translators may well have gotten it right if they knew more.noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex. 2. copulation with a member of the same sex. 3. bestiality (  def 4 )…[Read more]

Hmmm……….. Why is that only “bad news” for the JWs? Wouldn't it be equally “bad news” for EVERY English Bible that has the word “Almighty” in it? From NETNotes:The name אֵל שַׁדַּי (’el shadday, “El Shaddai”) has often been translated “God Almighty,” primarily because Jerome translated it omnipotens (“all powerful”) in the Latin Vulgate…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 14 2013,21:43)KJVLuke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,From NETNotes:4 tc The majority of mss,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,19:36)I dont know any hebrew word as RA'.ra` er ra`Pronunciation: rah Origin: from 07489 Reference: TWOT – 2191a 2191c PrtSpch: adjective, noun masculine, noun feminime In Hebrew: her 127, er 124, erh 92, herh 89, twer 18, Myer 18, herl 16, Mter 15, herb 14, erm 14, Myerh 13, erl 13, ter 12, erb 11, Kter 10, yter 8,…[Read more]

Thank you Kerwin, David, and tigger, for addressing the nonsense Jack and Keith have thrown my way.   Jack, Moses had a Hebrew mother and father, but was RAISED by Egyptians.  He was a Hebrew/Israelite.And aside from the TRINITARIAN information that tigger posted – about vice-regents of God being addressed as if they were God Himself – you can a…[Read more]

Slow down, Wakeup.First, tell me whether or not you now understand the “ra” thing, and that the KJV translators had the CHOICE of translating that word as “evil” in Isaiah 45:7, or translating it as “affliction”, “adversity”, “trouble”, “harm”, etc.Do you understand this FACT? YES or NO?Secondly, it's not told to us who the angel of Jehovah was…[Read more]