Yes. Jesus was superior to the angels who were subsequently created through him.Hebrews 1:4 doesn't teach that Jesus BECAME superior to the other messengers – as if he wasn't already superior. It says he became MUCH MORE superior to them than he already was.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,18:37)Re' man with an attitude of being a god:  Ezekiel 28:1………………Yes.  I'm familiar with that passage.  This same thing could be said about Nebuchadnezzar, who actually believed he was some kind of a god – although he was just a man.But what point would you like to make with that passage?And how does it an…[Read more]

All men die the exact same way, Kerwin.All will also be raised and judged.  It is only AFTER the judgment that some will go here, and others there. It is not until then that the “human sons of God” will be distinguished from every other human being.Even Abraham, David, and Samuel died, Kerwin. All men die. And all men die like men.That is my…[Read more]

Okay journey and Wakeup,After sitting through nine minutes of babbling, the first verse the lady brought up (at 9:45 into part 1 of 7) is supposedly in Luke chapter 4, and says “Jesus came to heal the broken hearted”.I've searched those words in the KJV, and have so far found no results.Do you guys know which verse she's talking about, and where…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 14 2013,04:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2013,11:29)Uh-oh.  I thought the video was on page one of THIS thread……… but it's not.Could you tell me the thread it's in?Mike, The 7 part video is better.  Not the first.  Is the seven part video in the same thread? I guess I'll find out.

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 13 2013,18:34)Has either Wakeup or Journey admitted a sodemite is not a male temple prostitute?They haven't yet acknowledged that the Hebrew word in Deuteronomy 23:17 refers specifically to male and female TEMPLE prostitutes, and is rightly translated as “temple prostitute” or “shrine prostitute” – as opposed to the “whore”…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 14 2013,08:10)Mike I have “Honestly' answered it several times………No you haven't, Gene.When you can say, Yes Mike, Jesus is the Son who is called “O God” in Hebrews 1:8, then you have answered it honestly.Until then, I'm not interested in anything you have to say on the matter.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,21:25)They that think;and have the attitude of being a god,will die like men,because they are not God.they are men;flesh and blood.Wakeup, Even men who DON'T think and have the attitude of being a god will die as men, right?So what point would God have in telling MEN they would die like men?  Of course they, as men,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,17:24)Mike b.How is the new interpretation to this one?**I created the waster do destroy**.There are various ways that verse is translated – both in the old English versions and in the new.I have no problem with the KJV translation of that verse. I suppose the angel God sent to wipe out 185,000 Assyrians in one night…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 13 2013,19:02)The nerve of you to find fault with Trinitarians when you say that the Hebrews called messengers by YHWH's name. For the Hebrews to call messengers by YHWH's name would be to profane YHWH's name (Leviticus 24:16).Yet you say Jehovah's messenger Jesus Christ is “Jehovah the Son”, right?  Hmmm……….. Quot…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 14 2013,16:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2013,09:37)There you go, David.  Now it's a Trinity thread.Every thread by default is a trinity thread.  It is the default setting on every thread.Not so much anymore. Posts from Keith, Kathi, and Jack are almost non-existent these days.It seems we mostly discuss the pre-existence of J…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,22:08)Mike B.Ra' is an egyptian word for the SUN.Wakeup, “Ra” is also a HEBREW word that means, according to James Strong:from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):- adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous),…[Read more]

There you go, David. Now it's a Trinity thread.

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 14 2013,08:57)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,20:17)My question will they not answer:And that was:Who created the     A GOD?Who is supposedly to be the Word?Without the Word was not *ANYTHING MADE* that was made.wakeup.It literally says “Without Him (the Word) not one thing came into being that has come into being.”If t…[Read more]

Uh-oh. I thought the video was on page one of THIS thread……… but it's not.Could you tell me the thread it's in?

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 12 2013,23:06)Saying the Word was “A” god is taking away God's glory, and the glory of his Word. It is taking away what he is telling us, that in the beginning (of creation)….when he was about to start creating, that it was just him alone. God and his Word which was inside him. No-one else. That is what he is showing u…[Read more]

Gene,Your post doesn't deserve a response from me until you've HONESTLY answered my question about Hebrews 1:8.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,02:20)Psalms 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. ONE OF THE PRINCES=SATAN.THE SO CALLED GODS SHALL DIE,LIKE MEN.So in order for them to die “like men”, they must be non-human entities, right?Because if God was talking ABOUT men, then Him saying they would die “like men” would be a…[Read more]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 13 2013,18:03)Now that's what I like: a truly careful examination of all the evidence and a clear, intelligent reply which covers all the pertinent points.Go back and read Jack's signature at the bottom of his post, tigger.  There are many things our friend Jack doesn't quite understand about scripture. The fact that God's…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 12 2013,23:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2013,11:36)This whole thing started because journey and Wakeup believe God created evil itself.Yes we do.  He said it himself and we believe him.  But that's the point, journey.  Did God really say He “created evil”?The fact of the matter is that the Hebrew word translated as “c…[Read more]