Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,22:40)The hypothesis I was working on is that saying the word is God is similar to saying that God is love with the difference being that instead of meaning God is the attribute of the word, it means God and the word share the same attribute; that of being divine.Okay. I can see where that might work with an abstract…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 20 2013,20:16)Quote Kerwin,What if it said, “and the Word was Abraham Lincoln”?Would you believe that the Word actually WAS Abraham Lincoln – as was clearly stated?  Or would you pretend that the words, and the Word WAS Abraham Lincoln” only meant that the word “wore a top hat like Abraham Lincoln”?I think for this analogy it…[Read more]

For Wakeup:A Sodomite was simply an inhabitant of Sodom, just as a Moabite was an inhabitant of Moab. There is only one verse in the Bible that uses the word Sodomite.The following verses show when the word “Sodomite” is used as a symbolic name, it carries the idea of a “Male Cult Prostitute.”Deut. 23:17 (KJV) There shall be no whore of the dau…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,22:46)We today dont use that word dog; we use the word sodomite.What is the problem?Yes Wakeup. We don't in English call sodomites “dogs” – like the ancient Hebrews did.So why then, when verse 18 taught about the wages earned from male prostitution, did the KJV translate it as “the price of a dog”?They should have…[Read more]

Wakeup, your doctrine has much in common with the Trinity Doctrine. So let's get the basics of your beliefs. Here's how I understand you so far:1. The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.2. God brought this part of Himself out of Himself, and it became an individual being who was no…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,00:11)Mike B.In heaven there is one throne.In the kingdom on earth when He rules;then He will have His own throne,and we can sit on it,just for the feel of it.Actually, Revelation mentions at least TWENTY-SIX thrones, Wakeup – because each of the 24 elders sit on a throne. Not to mention the MANY thrones that those of…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:47)Glory and honour belongs to God and the Lamb only.Exodus 20:12 King James VersionHonour thy father and thy mother………Matthew 6:29 King James VersionAnd yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.So let's see………. Solomon was a FATHER, who was HONORED, right?…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2013,01:42)You said there is A GOD beside God.1.The Father.2.A god.                 That makes it two gods.Actually, there are MANY gods – not just two.  Angels, demons, Satan, and Jesus are all gods, Wakeup.They are all called by the same Hebrew word “el” that Jehovah is called by.  Now YOU imagine that those other “el…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:32)Mike B.You seem to be going backward instead of forward.WITHOUT HIM/WORD WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. And you say he did not create anything?He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another. – TertullianPay attention, Wakeup……….1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:21)1].Amos 3:6   Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and ***the LORD hath not done it***? 2].Lamentations 3:38   Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth ***not evil and good***? 3].  Isaiah 54:16   Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 19 2013,23:21)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?If that was the case; then that part must have beentranslated correct. That does not proof that the rest would be perfect.For Old Testament, the translators used a text originating in the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,17:39)………but adjusted this to conform to the Greek LXX or Latin Vulgate in passages to which Christian tradition had attached a Christological interpretation. For example, the Septuagint reading “They pierced my hands and my feet” was used in Psalm 22:16 (vs. the Masoretes' reading of the Hebrew “like lions my…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 20 2013,14:05)Hi Pierre:It is not the Word that dwelt among us in that scripture.  The Word or Logos of God was made flesh or a human being, and it was him that dwelt among us…………In Marty's eagerness to ensure that the Word isn't Jesus, he must read 1:14 as follows:The Word became flesh, and dwelled among us with…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 20 2013,13:34)ALSO THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE THE WORD WORD IS USED HUNDREDS OF TIMES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IS ALWAYS A REFERENCE TO THE WORD WHICH WAS MADE FLESH, JESUS CHRIST!My point exactly, Charles. That is what I was trying to tell Kathi.

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,23:06)The bible was probably translated in the native language of the people that believed the word……………..So in other words, you have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that there actually WERE other indefinite article languages that the NT was translated into during the first 300 years?But you IMAGINE that there might have…[Read more]

Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does “word of YHWH” simply refer to the commands YHWH had given them through Moses?

Good, Kathi.Let's go further. I don't know if you've seen me mention the King of Abyssinia before. This ancient king had a spokesman who played the “go-between” when people came to talk to the king about various issues. The people would ask the go-between a question for the king, and the go-between would then relate that question to the king.…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,16:04)So what is the right word for: man having sex with man?Is the right word temple prostitution?No Wakeup. The right word for a man having sex with another man is NOT “temple prostitution”.But the Hebrew words of that Deuteronomy verse DO refer to temple prostitution. Therefore, the KJV scholars were remiss to…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12)Blessings,honor,glory and power, to the *ONE* on the throneand the *Lamb*. Both on the SAME throne.Revelation 3:21 KJVTo him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.How many thrones?

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,15:12)GLORY BELONGS TO GOD ONLY;AND YET,THE LAMB RECEIVED GLORY AND POWER AS WELL.Wrong again. Jesus spoke about the glory of Solomon Matthew 6:29.So how can you say glory belongs only to God?