Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)1.  The Word was a part of God that was inside God in the beginning – and therefore called “God Himself”.YES; WE SEE ONLY GOD.THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.Okay.  So just to be sure, you're claiming that the Word OF God used to BE God Almighty Himself, right?Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:33) Quote (…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:34)Do you see that the same as hounouringGod and His Lamb?Nope. I see the honor we give to the Son as being greater than the honor we give to anyone else………….. EXCEPT for the Son's own Father and God, Jehovah.So we can attribute much honor and glory to King David.And we can attribute even more honor and…[Read more]

Wakeup,You said this earlier:Quote God and his Word on the same throne; because THE WORD is part of God.And now you say this:Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:30)The Lamb will have his own throne,when His kingdom is set up.God is ruling in heaven.Are you saying that a “part of God” will rule from earth as the Lamb, and the other “part of God” will…[Read more]

Agreed. But you left out “being a temple prostitute”.This sin is also clearly condemned by God Himself in scripture – but isn't mentioned anywhere in the KJV.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,04:40)REMEMBER THIS: THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT GOD AND WILL NEVER BE GOD……..So then you agree that those who translate John 1:1c as “and the Word was God” are in error?Or will you continue to preach that the Word USED TO BE God Almighty Himself, but then he became “NOT GOD”?Will you say the Word “WILL NEVER BE GOD”…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,21:19)Quote (david @ Nov. 22 2013,07:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,10:30)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,20:59)David,I found this quote on a forum and if a true quote then those scholars are not really saying anything different than can be derived by the translations of some.Quote “We propose that the best way to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,19:36)And yes, it could mean “a god,” “divine,” or three other things.  But what it doesn't really seem to mean is: “the God.”That is one of the main things people need to realize, David.The translation, “and the Word was God“ really means that the Word was THE very god he/it was WITH.And whether they accept the Coptic…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,18:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,05:24)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 19 2013,22:40)The hypothesis I was working on is that saying the word is God is similar to saying that God is love with the difference being that instead of meaning God is the attribute of the word, it means God and the word share the same attribute;…[Read more]

Wakeup,I will go through each and every question you asked, and give a DIRECT and HONEST answer to it………… on one condition:With each ANSWER I give, I will ask a question of my own which YOU must answer DIRECTLY and HONESTLY.Deal?I'll give you a idea of what I'm saying:1.Who created darkness/night? Jehovah created darkness/night. Is…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,05:44)What does the word sodomy mean to you?The word sodomy refers to two males having sex with each other – whether or not any money exchanges hands.The word in verse 17 though refers to a specific male prostitute (who DOES get paid) who works out of a temple only.The word in verse 18 (dog) refers to a male prostitute…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,13:41)But if there were others, still, who cares. We don't know they exist. The only evidence we can use is the evidence we have.I wonder what Kerwin would do if a manuscript from one of those “other languages” was discovered tomorrow, and they too translated 1:1c as “a god”?

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,15:47)Thank you Gene B.Christians refuse to mention those scriptures in church,because they simply dont know how to back it up.Yeah, I bet it's pretty hard to conform non-believers with the statement:  The God we want you to worship is the reason for all the evil in the world – because He is the one who created it.  

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,06:13)MikeB.You have so much faith in those books,more even that the Word of God.You dont believe in the *POWER* of the God you supposeto worship.You have shown distrust in the scriptures.Wakeup,Since you have taken to posting baseless and untrue claims instead of actually answering the clear and simple questions I've…[Read more]

I believe God gave us brains and logic and reasoning and wisdom for a reason, Wakeup. We are meant to use them.Some of us aren't comfortable saying, “The Holy Spirit told me God is a rabbit, and therefore I don't need to read the scriptures because the Holy Spirit already told me the truth”.I want to read it with my own eyes, and understand it…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,16:15)You work it out who He is.Well, according to you Wakeup, “he” is God Almighty Himself.According to you, God Almighty Himself said, “I came out from God”, right? Because you believe the Word who said those words actually IS God Almighty Himself, right?You're only one step away from being a Trinitarian, Wakeup.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2013,11:04)WQuote YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.THAT COME OUT OF GOD.GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE GOD,AND THERE IS NONE ELSE.I PROCEEDED OUT OF THE FATHER:I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.I CAME OUT OF THE FATHER.1) WHAT PART OF cHRIST IS THE SAVIOR 2) WHICH BEING DID NOT COME OUT OF THE FATHER 3) WHICH…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2013,07:48)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)]Was the flesh and blood human being who died on a tree our savior?  YES.Does that mean that God Almighty Himself was that flesh and blood human being who died on a tree?  YES or NO? YES; HE IS OUR SAVIOUR,AND HE HAPPENS TO BE THE WORD OF GOD.THAT COME OUT OF GOD.GOD AND HIS WORD IS ONE G…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 21 2013,10:24)Both DEUT and Malachi are places where it's understandable to have an “a” in Coptic or Even English. I fail to see the point of mentioning that the Coptic has an indefinite article in these two places.Good point!

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 21 2013,09:05)The scripture states that “the Word was made flesh”, and so now it is not “the Word” but the flesh or the human being that dwells among us at that point.Yes. That's much nearer to clearer, Marty. Well done.So you realize that the spirit “Word” actually BECAME the flesh human being known as Jesus Christ, right?

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 20 2013,20:59)David,I found this quote on a forum and if a true quote then those scholars are not really saying anything different than can be derived by the translations of some.Quote “We propose that the best way to take the indefinite article in John 1:1c is as an attempt by the Copts to interpret the anarthrous θε?ς…[Read more]