Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,13:46)As Mike mentioned many gods and gave this verse as part of his support:1 Kings 11:33I will do this because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Molech the god of the Ammonites, and have not walked in obedience to me………Let me…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,18:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,16:43)Kathi,Isn't it you who thinks “the word of God” is often a being?   Aren't those “beings” most likely angels? In fact,  you believe Jesus is sometimes the “angel of YHWH” who is mentioned in the OT, right?  Well, an angel OF Jehovah is not actually Jehovah Himself – wh…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,18:16)Hi tigger2,The importance of knowing that the Targums replace the name 'Jehovah' with the “Word of Jehovah” is huge considering a Jew wrote John 1:1 and we can assume that he understood that his Jewish readers would connect the Word of John 1:1 that was with God in the beginning and was God, with the use of…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,02:47)Just some straight answers please:1.Who created darkness/night?Jehovah created both darkness/night.Is darkness/night “evil” for some reason? YES or NO?

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 24 2013,20:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 20 2013,10:47)Quote Have you no comments about the fact that Jesus quoted the LXX version of Isaiah 61:1-2 in Luke 4:18-19?Mike, I have no idea what you are talking about.  Let's look at those verses.KJVIsaiah 61:1   The spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath a…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 24 2013,19:42)Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Why would Jesus not have said this? Because the jot is a Hebrew letter, and the tittle is a small mark to distinguish between Hebrew letters. If Jesus used the…[Read more]

Kathi,Isn't it you who thinks “the word of God” is often a being?   Aren't those “beings” most likely angels? In fact,  you believe Jesus is sometimes the “angel of YHWH” who is mentioned in the OT, right?  Well, an angel OF Jehovah is not actually Jehovah Himself – whether that angel is Jesus or Gabriel.

So YES, angels can be meant by the phrase, “the word of YHWH” sometimes. But those ANGELS aren't ever YHWH Himself, nor a “second facet” of Him. They are His servants. And Jesus may have even been that “angel” on occasion, but it would still only mean he was an angel OF YHWH – not YHWH Himself.

Did you read the addition to my first response? I was editing while you were posting. What about the angel who came to Daniel? Could we say, “the word of God came to Daniel, saying……” ? Yes. And would that make Gabriel actually BE Jehovah? No.

No, Kathi.  The ancients never believed there were two different YHWHs.And the NT merely explains more about the first born SON of YHWH….. not about a SECOND YHWH.

Nor does it change the fact that the word of God is almost always simply commands and instructions that God has given us.

Yes.  Those ancient Jews most likely realized that God Almighty Himself didn't actually appear to humans and walk in the garden of Eden, etc.  Instead, He sent representatives to carry out these deeds, and these reps were often addressed as “YHWH”, and titled as “the word of YHWH” in the targums.For example, concerning the angel who came to D…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 24 2013,02:08)KWakeup is right in what he say about lament 3:38Agreed. The “not” is not there to signify that one of the things DOES proceed out of God's mouth, and the other one DOESN'T.It is saying, “Don't BOTH OF THESE THINGS proceed out of God's mouth?”Of course, “evil” is a faulty KJV translation in that verse, but…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 22 2013,18:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2013,02:03)Wakeup,I will go through each and every question you asked, and give a DIRECT and HONEST answer to it………… on one condition:With each ANSWER I give, I will ask a question of my own which YOU must answer DIRECTLY and HONESTLY.Deal?I'll give you a idea of what I'm…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2013,10:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,22:01)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,10:18)These are the words of a Jew of that time speaking of the word.Quote Now the image of God is the Word, by which all the world was made.” (The Special Laws, I, XVI, 81).That is what Jew like John in the same age as John.Now just change the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 23 2013,20:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,20:26)Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,13:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2013,21:37)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2013,21:19)I found this quote on a forum and if a true quote then those scholars are not really saying anything different than can be derived by the translations of some.Quote “We propose that the best way to take the indefinite article in John 1:1c…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2013,12:52)We do not use the word god to mean “refers to the things of God his counsels, interests, things due to him whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way” while Koine Greek does use theos that way.That's not wholly true, because even in English, we can understand that angels of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 23 2013,10:18)These are the words of a Jew of that time speaking of the word.Quote Now the image of God is the Word, by which all the world was made.” (The Special Laws, I, XVI, 81).That is what Jew like John in the same age as John.Now just change the word “by” to “through”, since in this use it means “through” anyway – and…[Read more]

journey,Where are you? If those guests of yours stay too long, you will have to call them “squatters” instead of guests.