Btw journey, I hope you can see that there is nothing evil about what we're doing here. We are just searching for all the meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words, so WE can make an informed decision for ourselves. We use the knowledge stored in those lexicons, combined with context and prayers for guidance, to come to OUR best understanding of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 29 2013,16:26)Journey,This page looks like the correct numbering system.  Thank you.Thanks for the link, Kerwin. I saw both the a and b definitions – but it seems many words like “evil” and “calamity” are definitions of BOTH. That won't help us, will it?Btw journey, the “H” in front of the number signifies it is a Hebrew…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 29 2013,16:10)Quote The claim by Jack in the other thread is that neither the Hebrew word “shaddai” nor the Greek word “pantokratwr” actually mean “Almighty” – although Jerome translated as such in the Vulgate. But it is known that parts of the KJV are back-translated from the Vulgate, so that may have something to do with…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 29 2013,16:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2013,06:09)Kerwin, I also checked briefly in the GK numbering system,  as that system is more accurate, and more detailed than the Strong numbering system.  I thought they might have two different numbers for these two different “forms” of the word “ra” that 2B's source mentioned.  …[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:52)DANIEL BOWED DOWN TO KING NEB. BUT HE DID NOT WORSHIP KING NEB: BUT GOD.BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.EXACTLY,  Wakeup! So why does the KJV say the man in Jesus' parable “WORSHIPED” his master?Why does the KJV say the Israelites “WORSHIPPED” Jehovah “AND THE…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,17:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,03:43)Devo,Will you and Wakeup PLEASE address Matthew 18:26 in the KJV for me?  Will you explain how this master was “worshiped” by his servant?Was he “worshiped” as if he was God Almighty Himself?  YES or NO?Mike b.Please note matt.18:26. is a parable.Yes, it is a parable. P…[Read more]

Yeah Kerwin, But read HOW those scholars link it to “breasts” and “mountains”. They are all just guesses by men. (See the NETNote information I posted earlier in this thread. )

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 29 2013,13:46)Some think change is evil and sometimes they are even right but the lack of moderation can lead to destruction.I agree that “progress” is often anything but. And even in this case, it's disheartening to know that current translators take liberties with the new found information – and try to TWIST that new…[Read more]

I don't understand, Kerwin. I realize God is contrasting opposites, but why isn't “peace” opposite of “calamity”, or “trouble”?

The claim by Jack in the other thread is that neither the Hebrew word “shaddai” nor the Greek word “pantokratwr” actually mean “Almighty” – although Jerome translated as such in the Vulgate. But it is known that parts of the KJV are back-translated from the Vulgate, so that may have something to do with the “Almighty” translation of the KJV.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 28 2013,18:09)Just as it goes with the movies;so it goes with the bible translations.Its not getting better,but worse and worse.Stick to the old kjv.wakeup.Yeah, and while we're at it, we'll stick to the maps that show the earth as being flat, and the drawings that show the earth as the center of the solar system – with the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 28 2013,13:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,01:05)journey, There are scriptures in Deuteronomy that explicitly say God despises men who lay with other men. So it doesn't matter if certain people prefer the “temple prostitute” translation just so they can pretend that being gay is okay with God.  Their reasons for liking…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2013,22:33)Hi MikeI found the “ra” word.  Yes it means evil in Hebrew, and translated into different words, …but according to the context.  So I agree it does not mean sun god!I found this good article by Karl Simms, but could not copy and paste.  Whilst I was reading it, my computer froze.  It could not handle it.…[Read more]

Kerwin, I also checked briefly in the GK numbering system,  as that system is more accurate, and more detailed than the Strong numbering system.  I thought they might have two different numbers for these two different “forms” of the word “ra” that 2B's source mentioned.  I found no such thing as of yet.

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 29 2013,05:32)Quote (2besee @ Nov. 29 2013,18:49)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 29 2013,13:28)2Besee.He created satan did he not?Is satan not evil?wakeup.Wakeup,Free will.God gave man (and angels) free will.2Besee.So God did not know.wakeup.Wakeup,Was Satan “evil” when God created him? Did God actually create him AS an “evil being”? YES or NO?

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 28 2013,23:00)Mike yes I agree with what your wrote here except for this.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 29 2013,05:06)there exist good Greek mss that have “only begotten son”, and good Greek mss that have “only begotten god”.I don't believe it. Show me proof! (please).From NETNotes:The textual problem μονογενὴς θεός (monogenh” qeo”,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 28 2013,16:24)Mike, you said:”Your source says the Creator is the only one with the answers, and we must learn from Him. Hmmmm………… how is that done? Do you just ask God in your prayers or something, and then believe anything you hear – because you assume it must have been God who answered you?”More or less, Yes. If…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 28 2013,15:20)Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. Very good point, 2B!I wonder if Wakeup and journey will see it.

Just found this today in my daily reading:Job 5:17 NETTherefore, blessed is the man whom God corrects, so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. 67NETNote #67 says:The name Shaddai occurs 31 times in the book. This is its first occurrence. It is often rendered “Almighty” because of the LXX and some of the early fathers. The etymology and…[Read more]

journey, There are scriptures in Deuteronomy that explicitly say God despises men who lay with other men. So it doesn't matter if certain people prefer the “temple prostitute” translation just so they can pretend that being gay is okay with God. Their reasons for liking that translation have nothing at all to do with the FACT that the Hebrew word…[Read more]