Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,21:48)Ask yourself what is this verse saying that existed from the beginning. The answer is the eternal life, i.e. Jesus!And ask YOURSELF why the Father had to GRANT Jesus to also have life in him – if he had already had eternal life from eternity.Hmmmm…………..

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2013,16:04)Yes Mike. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So they must be eternal if Jesus was with God in the beginning and he is eternal. Of course such reasoning is not reasoning at all.And perhaps the disciples were also from eternity, since Jesus said they had been with him “from the beginning”.And Satan…[Read more]

Kathi,Jesus is the SERVANT of our ONE and ONLY Most High God.  In fact, our ONE and ONLY Most High God is also Jesus' ONE and ONLY Most High God.Jesus isn't the Most High God, but the SON of Him.  And ALL sons come into existence AFTER their fathers have already been existing for a while.  If they both started existing from the same time, then th…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,21:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,02:57)Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 05 2013,19:31)Hi MikeThis is a good discussion, and the questions you ask are good, for we all need to be aware and understand the reasons why God said “I create evil”……….I agree that it is a worthwhile discussion – for no one should go around…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 09 2013,10:15)T,You have not revealed the Scripture I asked for yet.When will YOU reveal the scripture that says flesh and bone, but NOT blood, CAN enter the kingdom of heaven?Kerwin, read John 3 again and again and again. Perhaps, with a prayer for guidance, you will be able to understand that the REASON we must be born…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2013,09:08)I hope you all can see how Mike again avoids this scriptureI hope you've all already seen that I honestly told Gene I would address the scripture he keeps harping about IF and WHEN I get and HONEST answer from him about Hebrews 1:8.About the SON, He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever…………..”Who…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,17:29)I tried to go further with Mike and it seems it was too much for him to handle. Not too much to “handle”, Kerwin. Just too much nonsense for me to want to spend anymore time on it.We've been all through this many times before, remember?I just don't have the patience to wade through your twisting and willful…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11)When God did this, was there any other gods present?After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son. And since Jesus is definitely a god according to many scriptures, YES, there was a god with Jehovah when He created…[Read more]

Have we all now come to agreement that the Greek Septuagint (LXX) actually DID exist, and that Jesus and the disciples quoted from the LXX version of the Hebrew OT many times in the NT?

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 05 2013,19:31)Hi MikeThis is a good discussion, and the questions you ask are good, for we all need to be aware and understand the reasons why God said “I create evil”……….I agree that it is a worthwhile discussion – for no one should go around claiming that God created evil simply because one ancient translation…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,13:11)Jesus was the ETERNAL LIFE that WAS WITH THE FATHER from the beginning.I am not assuming anything but letting the word speak for itself.Okay. And the earth is the planet that was created by God “in the beginning”. Does the word “beginning” mean the earth is “from eternity”? If not, then the word “beginning”…[Read more]

The “the” is not in the Greek text.  And I only found one English Bible that ADDS it…….. the MSG Bible.Also notice that blessing, honor, glory and strength are attributed to both the “one who sits on the throne”, AND to the Lamb.That distinguishes the Lamb as someone OTHER THAN “the one who sits on the throne”.

Let me know when you're ready to answer my question DIRECTLY, Gene. Until then, goodbye.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:13)When you talk about everyone that you know that is begotten had a beginning really just shows the uniqueness of the Son being an 'only' when it comes to His not having a beginning.Kathi,You're missing the point. First, to be begotten is NOT in contrast to being created. I believe you are good with this…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2013,13:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,00:09)Read his words in the parenthesis, Kerwin.  Then tell me it is an “if” situation.Mike,I already covered that when I wrote:Quote Paul is the stating that there a those called gods.AS INDEED THERE ARE MANY GODS, AND MANY LORDS.Do you believe Paul, Kerwin?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2013,09:14)Mike……….Just answer this, what does this mean to you, and quit skipping around it. the son of man can do “NOTHING” of “HIMSELF”,the Father who is “IN” Me “HE” does the “WORKS” give us you rendition of that Mike , what does that mean to you and quite skirting the issue, by making stupid reply's. WAS…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2013,13:10)I am of the opinion that Paul is teaching that the natural body of this corrupt world will transform into the Spiritual body of the world to come.But you need to switch out “body” for “PERSON”, Kerwin.Because a PERSON can be spiritual – in the sense you mean it, ie: righteous with God. A BODY, in and of itself,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,20:23)Kerwin's conclusion:ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN IS FLESH AND BONE.wakeup.It's a ridiculous conclusion made from a man who has PERSONAL WISHES for Jesus to have NEVER been anything other than exactly like the rest of us.I mean, he's going on about “animal souls” as a distraction – knowing full well that Paul wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2013,08:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,03:07)And YOUR take is:  About the Son, GOD says, “Your throne, O God inside of Jesus doing the works, will last forever.”Mike……….You preach till you blue in the face……..Is that a “YES”, Gene? Do you really believe that God was talking to the version of Himself…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,07:15)Mike, I don't think this is a stupid question, and it's got nothing to do with my bible versus your bible.  It's a general question.Can you please address this?  Were there any other gods existing when God started creating?I never said it was a stupid question, journey.  In fact, I can address it simply us…[Read more]