Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,22:18)Not so: Those men were chosen by God to do a job.Wakeup,I'm about done with you on this discussion. Show me your PROOF that the men who translated the KJV were specifically “chosen by God to do a job”.If you cannot, then stop claiming things you can't prove, okay?

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,13:19)Do you believe that jesus was a *LIVING PERSON* amongst his brethren?Yes.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,13:19)If you do believe;then why can you not believe that HE WAS a living being with a form  with God?I do believe that.  When did I ever say I didn't?    I believe Jesus was the very first being God ever cre…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,19:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2013,09:19)Wakeup, You recently said:  “BOWING DOWN TO A MAN KING IS SHOWING HONOUR.  NOT WORSHIP. WE DONT PRAY TO A KING.”Well, was Jesus a “MAN KING” when he was on earth?  YES or NO?MikeB.NO: Jesus was not born to be king………1.Matthew 2:2 and asked, “Where is the one who has bee…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,19:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2013,09:16)As for Isaiah 9:6, which part of it exactly do you think is NOT aligned with my doctrine?MikeB.Here is one of them.And the Word was A God;instead of the Word was God.There is only one everlasting father.Call no man father on the earth,for *ONE* is your Father in…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 06 2013,03:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2013,10:01)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2013,14:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2013,04:01)Answer the question, Wakeup:Did this living being, who is NO LONGER God, USED TO BE God Himself?  YES or NO?Since He is out of God: NO. He is the Word of God.When He was inside God: YES. That was…[Read more]

Read his words in the parenthesis, Kerwin. Then tell me it is an “if” situation.

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,11:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,03:41)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 05 2013,19:52)THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE WORD WAS GOD.LETS SAY JOHN IS LOOKING UP,AND ONLY SAW GOD.*NO WORD*, NO NOTHING CREATED,JUST THE ONE GOD,AND GOD ALONE. JOHN WOULD HAVE SAID IN HIS MIND:I ONLY SEE GOD.AND NOTHING ELSE.THEN HE LOOKS UP AGAIN LATER…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 06 2013,22:19) John 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (In the beginning)So, this is Jesus speaking.  He telling us he was there in the beginning of creation.  So Jesus was THAT WORD, not the man Jesus yet, but GOD'S WORD.I agree that Jo…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 06 2013,22:06)Hi Mike, Let's put all translations aside for the moment.  This is only clogging our thinking process.I disagree, journey.  IGNORING the facts of the matter in favor of siding with one possible translation – as if it is the ONLY possible translation – is what “clogs the thinking process”.  It makes us bl…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 05 2013,19:52)THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THE WORD WAS GOD.LETS SAY JOHN IS LOOKING UP,AND ONLY SAW GOD.*NO WORD*, NO NOTHING CREATED,JUST THE ONE GOD,AND GOD ALONE. JOHN WOULD HAVE SAID IN HIS MIND:I ONLY SEE GOD.AND NOTHING ELSE.THEN HE LOOKS UP AGAIN LATER IN TIME,AND **SAW THE WORD** SPEAKING THINGS INTO EXISTENCE:Ah, but now…[Read more]

I was growing to like the “pantecost” version. Wakeup, I agree that the “breath of life” is NOT the Holy Spirit. And I agree for the same sensible and logical reasons you put forth in your post.

1 Corinthians 85 For even if there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father…….Gene, do you believe there ARE many gods and many lords, in heaven and on earth, like Paul said?   YES or NO?Do you believe that although there do INDEED exist…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 06 2013,09:11)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2013,10:07)PS……..Still waiting for my answer to this scripture, 1 Cor 8:4…>  we know that there is no idols in the world and that there is “NO” God but “ONE”. thought you would have figure some way around it by now, I am sure if you could have you…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 07 2013,09:42)Jesus understood the glory he had before the foundation of the earth in store for him. He never had it before he was on the earth because he never existed before his berth, except in the plan and will of God.But the words in John 17:5, “glorify me now with the glory I HAD with you before the world began”…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2013,18:31)Mikegood point ,and it all pointing to that Christ the son is not his father or no part of his father ,Yes Pierre.   A person's son is not “a part of him” – but an individual and separate entity who was BROUGHT FORTH by that person.And BROUGHT FORTH is actually what the Hebrew word “yalad” means in the first…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 04 2013,21:26)Now if being begotten is being created, then are we created twice?World English Dictionarybeget  (bɪˈɡɛt)    1.  to father  2.  to cause or createEnough said?  t8, were YOU begotten?  Are you also a creation of God?  If the answer to both of those questions is “YES”, then would you consider yourself to have been cre…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,20:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2013,11:33)What are the NAMES of these divine men who produced the KJV?  It is YOU who has equated them with Moses and the Apostles.  So please tell us their names, so we can revere them and hold them in awe.Mike b.Their names were not mentioned.So they were just ordinary men, and n…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,20:48)You should not lookup to any man.Not even Abraham.Worship God:So then you are telling me that I SHOULDN'T honor and look up to my parents?

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,17:38)The fact remains that John said *WAS* God.Did John say “WAS with God, and WAS God” AT THE SAME TIME?  Or did he say “WAS with God and WAS a god” AT THE SAME TIME?Both of the things signified by the word “WAS” were happening at the SAME TIME period – which is listed as “in the beginning”.Do you understand that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,17:38)Mike b.The Word was with God and the Word *was* God.I am reversing it just to explain.That's my point, Wakeup.  If you are forced to REVERSE the order so that you can explain it to us, then something's wrong.Consider my understanding:  In the PAST (beginning), the Word was with THE God, AND the Word was a g…[Read more]