Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,20:18)When God was: He had his Word inside himWakeup,I can't read your conjecture in the scriptures.  I can't read that the Word who became flesh “used to be inside of God”, or that he “used to be God”.I can read that Jesus is called a god in at least five different scriptures.  And I can read that Jesus is the Word w…[Read more]

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 11 2013,20:09)Quote Do you believe God created ALL THINGS in heaven?  Isn't God one of the things in heaven?  Did He create Himself?No.  The LOGICAL conclusion is that all things in heaven – EXCEPT FOR GOD HIMSELF – were created by God.Similarly, the LOGICAL conclusion to your perceived dilemma is that all things – EXCEPT TH…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,18:36)Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 10 2013,23:21)You say God created evil just so He could later separate the evil from the good, and destroy the evil ones?  Why not just avoid creating evil in the first place, if His ultimate plan was to eliminate it anyway?As I said before, we'd be like ROBOTS.  Programmed to o…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,18:49)Mike,I know you will understand with time. Right now, it only raises questions for you. But those questions have to be answered, so we can show all that our faith should not be blind…………….journey,The day I accept that the God of the Hebrews created evil is the day I stop worshipping that God.I am…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,18:22)Mike, when God originally created Satan, he was designed to become evil at a certain point.  I can't express it enough.  God is all knowing and he does everything according to a plan.  His plan.  Yes he created Satan good, but also created this good cherub to turn evil later.I don't believe a word of that, jou…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,18:41)Mikeb.God had already created evil/satan.Wakeup,Did God create the angel known as “Satan” as an evil being right from the beginning? Did God actually create him evil?Or did he used to be “perfection”?

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,19:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2013,06:10)BEFORE Satan did one single evil act, what was he?  Was he a spirit being?yes ,he was a created spirit being………..now when he became corrupt his name became Satan………..And who created that spirit being who later became known as “Satan”?What you seem to be…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,00:12)Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,17:11)When God did this, was there any other gods present?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16)After God created His firstborn, Jesus Christ (The Word of God), then all other things were created BY God, and THROUGH that firstborn Son. Hi MikeHang on a minute.  Stop right…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,18:10)Mikeb.Adam and Eve was not put in hell; but in paradise.Do you agree that the dead are not counting time anymore?I believe the dead are conscious of nothing at all, like Solomon said.I believe like you, that people who died thousands of years before the resurrection will feel like no time has passed at all when…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 11 2013,17:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:05)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,10:16)It is not written that only spirit will inherit the kingdom of GodLike I said Kerwin, read John 3 over and over again.Why, according to Jesus' words in that passage, must we be born again?  If you can answer that, you'll be well on your…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2013,09:29)Who are we to believe Pierre, you and your Wolf friend, or the word of God?Well Gene,Since the fox and the wolf are the ones who are preaching what the scriptures actually teach, over and over, from front to back, then you should believe us. We are, after all, saying the exact same thing the written word…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 07 2013,21:14)QUESTION TO ALL:You believe that without the Word; nothing was made that was made.WHO CREATED JESUS?Do you believe God created ALL THINGS in heaven?  Isn't God one of the things in heaven?  Did He create Himself?No.  The LOGICAL conclusion is that all things in heaven – EXCEPT FOR GOD HIMSELF – were created by Go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:09)Mike,Can you admit that the definite article is there in the Greek………This is the page I searched when I said it wasn't there.  And as you can see, it isn't listed on that page.But I looked deeper, and it is indeed the definite article, which is sometimes translated in English Bibles, and sometimes not.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,21:48)Ask yourself what is this verse saying that existed from the beginning. The answer is the eternal life, i.e. Jesus!And ask YOURSELF why the Father had to GRANT Jesus to also have life in him – if he had already had eternal life from…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:06)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2013,16:04)Yes Mike. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So they must be eternal if Jesus was with God in the beginning and he is eternal. Of course such reasoning is not reasoning at all.And perhaps the disciples were also from…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:04)You have a very irresponsible argument there implying that Jesus must not exist at some point because human sons didn't exist at some point.God chose to explain His relationship to Jesus as “Father/Son”.  He explained it this way to HUMAN BEINGS, who would only understand a “father/son” relationship in one…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 11 2013,09:07)And yes, I believe that the following scripture states that God is from eternity:Quote Deu 33:27 The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them. 1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 11 2013,09:07)And also if you say that John 1 states that “the Word is Jesus”, the you would have “In the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.No Marty. The correct translation of John 1:1 is, “and the Word was with THE GOD, and the Word was A god.”See? All of that “confusion” you've mustered up is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,18:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2013,05:09)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,20:59)BUT NO GOD DID NOT CREATED SATAN , SATAN CREATED HIMSELF AGAINST GOD WILL ,Huh?   Are you telling me that the spirit being who was given permission by God to mess up Job's life actually created himself?I must be misunderstanding…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,18:00)Mikeb.God created Lucifer; his anointed Cherub.But God also knew what would become of him.He knew it all from the beginning.Knowing ahead of time that certain persons would choose of their own free wills to BECOME evil is not the same as “creating evil”, Wakeup.Evil is the ACT of disobeying God. How can God…[Read more]