Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,09:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:14)Oh, and how does definition #2 work in Colossians 1:16, where it is said that all things were made THROUGH him AND FOR him?Should we change it to “FOR him and FOR him”?And so, it would work the same way as I have stated.  That scripture says that all things were created for…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,08:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2013,11:11)Okay.  Let's use your definition #2 for a second – just for argument's sake.In what way do you suppose the DINOSAURS were made for Jesus – since you believe Jesus never existed to see or enjoy them?Mike:Quote 2.through A.the ground or reason by which something is or is not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:26)Mike…….You making the Word GOD a PERSON, it is NOT , it is a Relationship, and being a relative term it can apply to anything. Do you agree with that?peace and love………………geneNo Gene. I disagree with you on this “relationship” thing.When I say, “God makes it rain on the earth”, I am not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2013,09:07)Satan is no God at all to Us, why because we do not trust in him and lean on his power for any support………Again, I agree with you.I do not personally trust in Satan, or lean on his power for any support. But some people DO trust in him, and lean on his power for support, right?So like you said…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,08:42)……..that GOD, of those people was “THEIR” GOD, why because it meet the requirements for a GOD……….So then Satan DOES meet the requirements of being a god?Agreed.So tell me, if Jehovah Himself calls Satan a god, and Paul calls Satan a god, why does Gene Balthrop take it upon himself to say Satan…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,12:10)Can you point me to any particular scripture where it is clear that one of Jesus' disciples knew he was actually God Almighty Himself?MikeB.Yes:That person was the prophet john.He was with the Holy Spirit since conception.And he declared that THE WORD *WAS* GOD.One need to…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2013,04:32)When God was: before all creation started;Did he have a brain to think?I don't know if God has a literal “brain” like we have….. but YES, God was able to think before He created His first work – which was His Son Jesus.

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 23 2013,00:26)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 23 2013,03:01)why was it tempted T.The flesh needs to be tempted,and strong enough tooverpower temptation.Of which we, often fail when tempted.wakeup.So then you're saying that when God Almighty Himself was FLESH, He could be tempted?

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 22 2013,19:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 23 2013,03:05)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,16:34)MikeB.THAT SERVANT HAPPENS TO BE GOD, HIS OWN WORD.Can't you see ho nonsensical those words are, Wakeup?A servant OF God is also “God”?   That's simple Mike,God gives the command, and his Word OBEYS.  journey,You are asserting the same t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 23 2013,18:15)Mike,Do you believe the Law of Moses is the word of God?Yes. But it is not the ONLY thing called “the word of God”, right?Why do you ask?

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 21 2013,19:25)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 22 2013,08:00)1 John 5:7   For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. THE FATHER;THE WORD OF GOD;AND THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.Hi WakeupGood explanation.Now he just needs to find an explanation that uses words that are…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,12:28)Mike,Quote Also consider the parallel use of “with you” in 17:5.”Father, glorify me WITH YOU (in your presence) with the glory I kept on holding/having WITH YOU (in your presence) before the world began.”If the first “with you” implies that Jesus is ready to finish up on earth, and be glorified in God's presence…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,12:14)Mike,Quote In John 17:5, the word “eichon” is written in the first person singular form……… which in the imperfect tense means, “I kept on having/holding”.In Matthew 27:16, the word “eichon” is written in the third person plural form…….. which in the imperfect tense means, “THEY kept on…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,11:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,06:02)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,22:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2013,06:34)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,12:00)Mike,He stated that those who received the word of God were called gods in Scripture.  The only ones I know that received the word of God were the children of…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,10:09)Mike…….Do you honestly believe Jesus has “NOW” the “SAME” Glory and Power Had before his, berth, death and Resurrection………..No Gene. I believe Jesus asked to have his former glory returned to him, after he completed his mission on earth. But God gave him an even GREATER glory after he completed…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:48)Mike……..So i can also say the Glory I had with the Father before the world began right?You could only say it if you actually HAD glory before the world began, Gene. Did you?Also, don't forget that it is literally, “the glory I WAS HAVING”.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,10:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,10:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2013,10:00)Now, poor old John was so stupid he didn't know he should have written the word Jesus there  (a Person) instead of Just “word” (intelligent utterance), So along comes  Jammin, and Mike, and other Trinitarians and P…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2013,11:30)Mike,Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,22:01)Mike,I already pointed out to you that Psalms is speaking of Jehovah and the old creation.Quote So is Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6, and Heb 1:2.You know how I know?  Because the God-inspired writer of these scriptures DIDN'T include the word “NEW” before the words “things” and…[Read more]

Good try anyway, tigger. It seems Gene and Wakeup have no interest in the truth of a matter – if that truth puts their own personal doctrine in disharmony.Wakeup, I also found this information in the link tigger posted. It concerns the placement of the comma in Luke 23:43. I thought you might like to read it, since we have recently discussed…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,16:34)MikeB.THAT SERVANT HAPPENS TO BE GOD, HIS OWN WORD.Can't you see ho nonsensical those words are, Wakeup?A servant OF God is also “God”? Plus, Pierre has a good question for you. I'll await your answer to how the Word OF God, who also happens to BE God – according to you – was tempted.God can't be tempted, can…