Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,23:05)MikeB.1.Many rushed to see Jesus: kneeled before him, and called   Him Lord,and asked for healings.   Just one of the many scriptures:Matthew 9:18   While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, ***and worshipped him***, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy ha…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,12:34)This allows him to give a person a “gift” before the person comes to exist.But it doesn't allow that person to say they WERE HAVING that gift before they actually had it.

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,12:02)<!–QuoteBegin–mikeboll+64Do you think Jesus is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE when he says, ?Mike,No, It did not come to me that Jesus was to be glorified in God's literal presence……Interesting. What about John 17:24? It is part of the same passage. Where do you think Jesus wants them be with…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,11:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,06:29)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 23 2013,18:15)Mike,Do you believe the Law of Moses is the word of God?Yes.  But it is not the ONLY thing called “the word of God”, right?Why do you ask?Mike,I asked because I was wondering why you do not realize that the children of Israel were the only…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 24 2013,01:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,10:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:48)Mike……..So i can also say the Glory I had with the Father before the world began right?You could only say it if you actually HAD glory before the world began, Gene.  Did you?Also, don't forget that it is literally, “the…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 24 2013,01:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,11:25) Now he just needs to find an explanation that uses words that are actually IN the scriptures.Those extra words in the KJV version of 1 John 5:7 aren't found in ANY Greek ms before the 14th century.  They have been PROVEN to be a later ADDITION to John's words, and are…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 24 2013,10:56)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2013,09:48)Mike……..So i can also say the Glory I had with the Father before the world began right?You could only say it if you actually HAD glory before the world began, Gene.  Did you?Also, don't forget that it is literally, “the glory I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,02:07)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55)Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach. MY assumption is based on the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,01:57)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02)Well, there ya go.  You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right?  You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.  Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created ev…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,13:55)Mike assumes that the words water, clouds, etc. are speaking of heaven at the same time he criticizes me for assuming.In the end, we all have to come up with our own INTERPRETATION of what the scriptures teach. MY assumption is based on the understanding that the words of that psalm were written in chronological…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,11:14)Mike,Where does Scripture speak of bit water and pillars that have nothing to do with earth?I'll get back to you on that one. I'm using my phone right now…… not my computer.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,11:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:02)Well, there ya go.  You know what happens when you “ASSUME”, right?  You sometimes make an ASS out of U and ME.  Kerwin…….And this is coming from a person that “ASSUMES” God created everything through Jesus……..Gene,There are three different scriptures that pl…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 23 2013,18:12)There is the story of a man who stranded on a rooftop after a great flood kept refusing help from human rescuers because of his confidence God would rescue him. He perished and and in the land of the dead he asked Abraham why God failed to rescue him and Abraham answered and said God sent his rescuers to you…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,23:37)Kerwin.*YOU* are seeking out which word should be used in a certain sentence in scripture. *YOU* decide to make that choice. *YOU* decide how the sentence should read.And that decision is *based* on *YOUR* precept of understanding.Not believing that it is God's responsibility to provide.Did you ever think that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,13:59)kERWIN.THE POINT HERE IS,THAT YOU HAVE SET UP YOUR OWN WAY TO SEEK THE TRUTH. IT WILL ONLY LEAD TO A DEAD END.You mean like the “dead end” it led to when the KJV translators sought the truth in the same manner?

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,14:31)You are eating the spirit of the scholars of the dictionaries.Sometimes, to find the various meanings of a certain Hebrew or Greek word, so I can choose for myself which is the best definition in a certain context, I just look at the many ways the KJV translated that word.For example, when trying to decide for…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2013,13:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,10:21)Isn't it GREAT how much EASIER it is to learn of Jesus from the ever-older mss that are constantly being uncovered?Mike B.Not forgetting that computer technology is only one hundredyears or so. what about the christians before?Jesus yoke was easy for them also.wakeup.The…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,13:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,04:35)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,23:02)I am taking it in chronological order……….But you are assuming that the waters, clouds, and winds are earth related.That's an absurd assumption considering that, chronologically speaking, God hadn't yet even laid the foundations of the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2013,19:52)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 22 2013,03:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2013,12:14)My question (actually Pierre's question) concerns Jesus being the SON of God.  Was Jesus God's SON when he was the Word – before being made flesh?Was Jesus God's SON while this Word was on earth?Is Jesus God's SON now, after the Word…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 23 2013,19:39)That he is not the creator is precisely my point.Neither I nor Pierre have ever claimed that Jesus created a single thing, Marty.So why are you arguing against a point we've never made in the first place?