Quote (942767 @ Dec. 27 2013,10:35)Hi Mike:You and Pierre teach that Jesus pre-existed and that when the scriptures state that all things were created through him, it means that it was Jesus that he was using the process of creating every thing.But God states that he alone created every thing by himself according to the scriptures posted below,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2013,10:24)Mike……..Would you erase all the posts between me an Terricca, here and get back to the Last post i posted to you, that all this guy does is disrupts our discussions to through it of track. I want to continue where i last dialogue with you and T8.peace and love……………………….geneI believe…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 25 2013,10:32)Mike……..Well then, what exactly did Jesus do in the creative process….The scriptures are silent on exactly what role Jesus played, Gene. Just as the scriptures are silent on what exactly the “US” did when God said, “Let US make man in OUR image”. All we know from scripture is that after saying, “Let…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,14:27)Proverbs 8:27-29Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:28 when he established the clouds above:when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:29 when he gave to the sea his decree,that the waters should not pass his…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 25 2013,11:14)Mike,Where does Scripture speak of bit water and pillars that have nothing to do with earth?See Gen 1:6 for the waters, and Job 26:11 for the pillars. For clouds, see Daniel 7:13, or Matthew 26:64.

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:25)Tigger2.So which do you believe?What the greek says, or what the bilble says.That's too funny, Wakeup.    In what language do you think the New Testament of the Bible was written?

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,20:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2013,11:03)Are you saying that God, who has His own mind, spoke, and the Word that came out of His mouth all of a sudden had a mind of ITS OWN, completely separate from the mind of God?Mikeb.It is not like what you are saying.God had made a decision to start creating.He brought forth…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,13:15)Kerwin.So why do you so easily believe in what they say?Proof every scripture translated, that it does not contradict the next scriptures.Matthew 4:10 KJVThen saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Hebrews 1:6 KJVAnd…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,13:06)Wakeup,I am almost positive that every translator is not guided by the Holy Spirit because their doctrine are not God's. There is a remnant but I do not know where they are or if they have an English bible that was translated by those who listen to the Spirit.Try the NWT, Kerwin. I have read it cover to cover,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,00:33)MikeB.Do you think God's word is:1.mighty.2.almighty.3.none of 1 and 2.Mighty.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,00:33)Do you believe God is:1.mighty.2.almighty.3.none of 1 and 2.Almighty.Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,00:33)All power has been given to the Son.Do you think Jesus is:1.mighty2.almighty.3.just a servant.The…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,21:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2013,10:54)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,14:51)What would you say when some one kneels down and calls you my lord and my god?Would you say dont do that?Well Jesus did not forbid him, because He is Thomas's Lord.But was Jesus also the Almighty God who created Thomas?  What do you say,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,06:34)Do you really believe that Kerwin?1.Now we are all suddenly become the word of God.Agreed, Wakeup.Taking it Kerwin's way, by ADDING the word “IN” into the original words, leaves us wondering who Revelation 19:11-16 is about – since by that time, any number of people could have had the word of God “written on…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,01:49)Wakeup,I know how the word was made flesh because God told us that he would put his word in his people and write it on their heart.That would require a teaching of, “and the word came to be IN flesh”, Kerwin.But that isn't the teaching.”Became flesh” and “came to be IN flesh” have two different meanings.  The…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,12:33)My problem is if you actually believe the word was literally God and not just a non-being idea in God's mind before God uttered it. I also object to your teaching that God transformed into a lesser being that is God's literal utterance.And agreed.

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,01:00)I do have a problem believing that the words that come out of his mouth are a being.Agreed.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 25 2013,16:58)Your theology is a lie against the scriptures. It is obvious that the Father and Jesus are not “one of the all things that were created”.It's clear that the FATHER, our ONE and ONLY Most High God, is not created. The God of us and of Jesus has existed from eternity. I believe this even though no…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 25 2013,22:08)MikeB.1. You agreed that before creation; God was all by himself.2. He had a MIND. 3.He used his THINKING to Plan what to do, and how to do it.4. Now He speaks: His Word came out.*(the Word was with God)*.5.*In the beginning was the Word*.I'm good with 1, 2, 3, and 5.So explain #4 to me………… Are you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 26 2013,17:38)The title of this topic, “Eternal past existence of the son” is an oxymoron.The definition of the word 'son' means that there is a Father/Originator. Thus, if the son was eternal and co-equal, he would not be a son……………Agreed.

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 25 2013,17:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,01:51)If the Word OBEYS God, then the Word can't possibly BE God.MikeThe Word WAS God.  USED TO BE GOD. He brought his Word out and gave it a form, an IMAGE of himself.  God didn't transform himself, but transformed HIS WORD into the man Jesus Christ when he came into the w…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2013,14:51)What would you say when some one kneels down and calls you my lord and my god?Would you say dont do that?Well Jesus did not forbid him, because He is Thomas's Lord.But was Jesus also the Almighty God who created Thomas? What do you say, Wakeup? And if so, do you think Thomas somehow knew that he was staring God…[Read more]