Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,16:00)Mike,The bible uses congregation for a group of people that are not necessarily gathered together in close proximity.  That is my point.  There is a uniting theme, such as being gods, or being the children of Israel.So re-read Psalm 82:1, and see if it is talking about an actual assembly with God. It seems cl…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2014,17:43)I am going to go by the NIV as the English is more understandable and it may mean the same as the AV of the KJV's words.verses 6-8 are speaking of the Light personified in Jesus.  verse 9 and 10 are a little confusing as one states the light is coming into the world and the other that was already in the world.…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,15:53)THIS IS WHERE MOST FAILED TO UNDERSTAND.THE WORD OF GOD, FROM THE BEGINNING CAN NOT SPEAK UNLESS GOD WANTS THE WORD TO SPEAK.ONES MOUTH CAN NOT SPEAK UNLESS THE PERSON WANTS  TO SPEAK.So you're saying that God Himself is not the one doing the speaking, but the words that He formerly spoke now do all the speaking…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 04 2014,08:22)No, Wakeup, he had that glory after he would complete his ministry to fulfill God's plan.  It was a done deal.Basically what you're saying is that Jesus HAD that glory because he knew he was GOING TO HAVE that glory.But I bet you can't find any other reference in the scriptures, or even in secular writings, were…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2014,19:04)Hi Mike:In response to your long post above, I would say nice try, Mike, but no, he did not say:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So John 17:5 tells us that Jesus indeed HAD glory before the world began, and asked to be glorified again with that same gloryThere is that seemingly insignificant little word “again” that you are…[Read more]

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 31 2013,13:53) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Have you written anything at all about the pre-existence of Christ? I just took it as a given, and didn’t feel the necessity to examine it.Until I came to this site, I never knew there was such a thing as a person who didn't believe Christ pre-existed.  My mind had never even co…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2014,15:36)But you said He was created in year one, when he was born?He was created/begotten of God before the ages. (Jude 1:25)He was born of Mary in 1 AD.He became the firstborn from the dead in 33 AD.

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2013,20:46)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2014,12:41)WQuote Thomas understood that Jesus is the Lord; and God is inside Him.THAT IS AN OPINION ;NOT SCRIPTURAL TRUTH ;DO YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURAL TRUTH TO BACK THIS UP T.You should know by now.I am in the Father and the Father in me.wakeup.But the Father is in all righteous…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2013,15:46)Thomas understood that Jesus is the Lord; and God is inside Him.That ALMOST seems like an answer.Are you saying that Jesus is the ONE who is “Lord”, and God is the ONE who is inside that Lord?And therefore, Jesus wasn't God Almighty Himself, but a person OTHER THAN God Almighty, in whom God Almighty dwelled?

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2013,12:17)Mikeyou never will get a strait answer from wakeup…………..It sure seems that way, Pierre.Wakeup, was the Word God Almighty while he was on earth? Or was the Word someone OTHER THAN God Almighty when he was on earth? Which one please?

Kerwin? Last post on page 1089?

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,20:54)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,04:11)T.I hope you can understand this.John 12:49   For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.  John 12:50   And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak th…[Read more]

Oops.  I just did a search of Eph 3:9, and it seems that most modern English Bibles don't have the words “through Jesus Christ”.I haven't researched into it yet, but I can only suspect that those words, while being in one or two more recent mss, are NOT to be found in the oldest and best mss – and are therefore omitted in the more recent…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2014,05:46)Yes there is a difference, but you are still created by God and through your parents. Those who think that God created all things alone and not through anyone are mistaken. Reality proves them wrong. We don't even need to prove that wrong with a scripture. Just look at yourself and how you got here. God obviously…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,09:27)Hi Mike:It does prohibit Him from saying that He was alone in the creation if in fact the Word is a person………Why would it matter whether or not the thing God was WITH was a “person”?If God was WITH anything at all, then God was not LITERALLY “alone”.

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:14)Hi Mike:This is what the scriptures state:Quote Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2014,11:43)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,11:41)I was born………. through my mom and dad, and so, yes, God alone created me, but that is not the issue.That is EXACTLY the issue, Marty.  So you agree that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, created YOU, right?  And you agree that, even t…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 03 2014,09:20)As far as Jesus being Michel the Arch Angel that can be disproved also, because scripture says, God has not subjected the world to come unto “ANGELS”. Heb 2:5…..> For unto angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. Even though I don't personally believe Michael is Jesus,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2014,13:47)Mike,Quote If Michael, after the battle in heaven is done, asks God to glorify him with the glory HE HAD at the time he shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth, would you assume Michael was talking about a glory he never actually HAD before? You are assuming Michael is Jesus.Wrong again,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2014,13:15)Mike,Quote If Michael, after the battle in heaven is done, asks God to glorify him with the glory HE HAD at the time he shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth, would you assume Michael was talking about a glory he never actually HAD before? According to you the word I had always imply that…[Read more]