Here's the NIV translation. Pay attention to the quotation marks:Psalm 82A psalm of Asaph.1 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the gods:2 “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked?3 Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.4 Rescue the w…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,15:38)Psalm 82:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 How long will ye judge unjustly,and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.He is speaking of the same gods in verse 8.Not at all.The words in red are God's words, and the words in blue are the psalmist's own words:82 1 God standeth in the congregation of the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 06 2014,16:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,08:23)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2013,14:56)As for my beliefs; then yes, a flesh, bone, and blood can enter heaven.1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…….Hmmmm………..  You are at odds with…[Read more]

Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says:The noun form is here used, not the adjectival theios, which would be required to simply classify the Word as “god-like.”“Divine” is also an adjective, which seems to be ruled out by the above information.You seem to be okay with “a god” also, so let's go with that one for now.  The bottom…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 31 2013,16:24)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2014,09:16)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 01 2014,03:19)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2014,07:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 31 2013,07:31)Okay, just so we have it STRAIGHT this time:Kerwin, do you believe that flesh and BONE can enter the kingdom of God?  YES or NO?Do you believe that flesh and BLOOD can…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2013,14:56)As for my beliefs; then yes, a flesh, bone, and blood can enter heaven.1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God…….Hmmmm……….. You are at odds with scripture, Kerwin.

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 03 2014,16:09)We can not *invent another* lesser god with Him.For that makes it two gods.There are MANY gods, and MANY lords, both in heaven, and on earth.  Many more than just two, Wakeup.  Jehovah is the Most High of them all, and Jesus is the second most high of them all.Btw, I didn't “invent” this.  It is right there in th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,14:46)A general statement such as “man was made a little lower than the elohim” would support the argument that all angels are called elohim. We know the elohim are messengers in that case because the writer of Hebrews translated elohim to messengers.Bravo, Kerwin!  You are able to understand that angels, who are all…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,15:01)Mike,The reason I hypothesize that some believe Psalms 82 is speaking of human judges is verse 8 which goes.Psalm 82:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)8 Arise, O God, judge the earth:for thou shalt inherit all nations.Angels are not the ones that will inherit all nations.  The saints will.  Remember this, f…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 04 2014,20:49)why cant these people accept that the Word is the title of Christ?jn 10.27New International VersionMy sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow meThey are being willfully ignorant, jammin.  They know full well what we've been saying, and even see how easy it is for us to understand it the way we do.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,15:39)Mike,I am going to work back to verse 4 from verses 6-8Instead, let's just work forward from verse 1 in the new thread I started just for that purpose.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2014,18:05)What does it mean to say that Jesus speaks and does the word?It means there is more than one use of the word “logos” in the scriptures.For example, the Word of the King of Abyssinia (The King's SPOKESMAN) speaks and does the word (instructions, commands, etc.) of the King of Abyssinia.Once again, you KNOW this…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 04 2014,13:26)If the Word of God was not a being,then who is this?Can you explain using your precept?Revelation 19:12   His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and h…[Read more]

In this thread, I'd like to discuss John 1, verse by verse, with Kerwin.  Please don't post in this thread unless you are Kerwin or Mike…….. at least not until we open the thread up to all.John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was A god or THE God.Kerwin, are we in agreement so far that, grammatically…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,15:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2014,00:01)John 1:4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.Who is the “HIM” that I supersized?Mike,Scripture distinguishing “Word” from “Light' by using two different words and telling those that have ears to hear that the Light is in the Word.  Kerwin,God IS…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2014,08:56)Marty……….I have no problem with that , It is Jesus who is to have that “NAME” on Him. why because he will be “REPRESENTING” and “SPEAKING” GOD'S the FATHERS words to us.So why then can't Jesus be the one who “has that name on him” in John 1:1 and 1:14 – for that SAME reason?

Kerwin, here is a link to the writings of Michael Heiser on the Divine Council of God.Give it a read, if you like.There is a lot of information, and it is quite in depth…… which is why I haven't yet brought it up on Heaven Net.Unfortunately, most of HN's members are still on milk when it comes to the scriptural teachings of the many gods…[Read more]

First of all……… once again you have failed to address the things that needed to be addressed, Kerwin.Did you re-read the psalm like I asked?  And was it clear to you that God was actually STANDING in the midst of a REAL assembly of people, and rendering judgment upon them?If so, let's stop DIVERTING the issue with things like this:  The b…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,16:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 05 2014,04:40)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,15:54)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2014,13:15)Mike,According to you the word I had always imply that Jesus was with God.Wrong.  According to me, the words “I WAS HAVING” are never said by anyone who didn't actually HAVE that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 04 2014,15:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 03 2014,22:20)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2014,13:15)Mike,Quote If Michael, after the battle in heaven is done, asks God to glorify him with the glory HE HAD at the time he shouted for joy when God laid the foundations of the earth, would you assume Michael was talking about a glory he never…[Read more]