Quote (942767 @ Jan. 16 2014,17:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:40)Do YOU suppose that you were created through your great, great grandson?  YES or NO?And if “NO”, why not?Hi Mike:What does that have to do with the fact that God knew that a specific time He would have a Son through whom He would reconcile the world unto Himself?Please…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2014,09:36)Mike………So let go with the first part of your rendition of the Scripture,  Before Abraham “come to Be” I am “I AM” What?Gene,I answered that in the post.  Don't you guys read my posts?  The literal Greek words Jesus said in John 14:9 are, “Am I so long a time with you, and thou hast not known me, Ph…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,02:44)Jesus said I AM for a reason.He is telling us something.We need to connect that with this scripture. Exodus 3:14   And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, *I AM* hath sent me unto you. wakeup.Did you even read the post, Wakeup? Remember this…[Read more]

I will happily kneel before the one my God Jehovah set up over me as Lord and King.But I will only worship the God OF that Lord and King.But that doesn't address my point, Wakeup. If the disciples had yet to see Jesus coming on the clouds, why then did they “worship” him when he was only a man on earth?

Kerwin?

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:58)It's like a foreign language being spoken to them.When people quote the KJV, it IS like a foreign language being spoken! Nobody speaks Shakespearian English anymore!

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 16 2014,09:58)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2014,16:14)Mikeb.1 John 5:7   For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, the WORD, and the HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.Which one of them do you Honour?And which one do you worship?wakeup.Wakeup,They took that verse out of the new bibles.  No wonder they are c…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,21:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,12:07)So it all boils down to one thing:  Either you believe we should worship someone OTHER THAN Jehovah God Almighty – or you don't.  All the rest is just fluff and rationalization.  The bottom line is that you believe Jesus was in fact a CREATION, and you think it's okay to…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,20:26)Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,09:20)Obeisance would have to be the worst , as it is not an everyday common english word, and I had to look it up,…so the worst one by far,Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,12:07)Gen 37:7…..your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf. Gen 37:9Behold, I h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,13:19)Mike,……..I assumed it was a variation of craftsman in pointing out that it is equivalent when Scripture also states the ages were framed by God's word.You are correct that it is equivalent.Here's what we know from scripture:1a.  Wisdom was the craftsman at God's side during the creation process.1b.  Jesus i…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,13:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,06:05)If you don't believe the “wisdom” in Proverbs 8 is a PERSON, then you could have just said, “NO”.  Or you could have said, “NO, because the wisdom in Proverbs 8 is not a person at all.”Mike,A no with an explanation would do.Hi Kerwin,Anytime I ask for a “YES” or “NO”…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,15:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,06:00)But did Jesus have a “sinful BODY” that was “led by the principles of this world instead of by the Spirit” while he was on earth?Mike,I don't think that Scripture looks at it as a sinful body. I believe instead it looks at it as:Quote the flesh, denotes mere human nature,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,16:00)Mike,No is correct. I was perhaps being too easily offended.Perhaps I was too, Kerwin.The follow up question is about Revelation 19:13. In that verse, does the phrase “the Word of God” still just refer to an unnamed thing that is poetically being personified as a living being?Or does that phrase refer to an…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,15:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2014,07:08)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 13 2014,19:30)To all,I may be slow at responding.You're always slow, Kerwin.  Oh – I'm sorry.  You weren't talking about MENTALLY slow, were you?  Mike,Lately I have not been up to par mentally either but I was not speaking of mentally.I hope you know I…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2014,22:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 16 2014,12:49)3c.  People kneeled before the spiritual leaders Samuel and David in the Bible.  Were those people “worshipping” Samuel and David?3c.No. Just kneeling down in honour.Okay.  It seems we agree that Jesus is NOT God Almighty, and the disciples never thought he WAS God Al…[Read more]

1.  So then the Word OF God ISN'T actually God Almighty Himself?2.  That doesn't address my point, Wakeup.  Do we agree that Jesus' disciples KNEW he WASN'T God Almighty Himself?3.  So kneeling down before our King Jesus isn't necessarily “worshipping” him, right?  It could be just showing him honor and reverence, right?3a.  Also, WHY is kneel…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 15 2014,15:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2014,09:39)Hebrew 1:6Douay-Rheims BibleAnd again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith: And let all the angels of God adore him. Young's Literal Translationand when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, 'And let them bow before him –…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,10:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2014,09:39)Exodus 203  “You shall have no other gods before me.5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God………”Yes, this is the command.  Tell me Mike, was the Son sent then?So your understanding is that even though the Word actu…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,09:43)Jesus Christ was not God Almighty himself. They knew he was the Son of God.And yet they worshiped him anyway – knowing that their God Jehovah is a jealous God?

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,09:20)Hi MikeSorry it took so long to answer, but it took me a few days to read!  Is this pay back time?       And I only addressed ONE PART of the many things I want to address!  Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 15 2014,09:20)Bow doesn't sound right.1.  Why doesn't it “sound right”?  Doesn't your KJV translate it as “bowed…[Read more]