And finally, I take your translation using the neuter “IT” as an answer to my previous question, “Okay……….. which one? Something other than God? Or someone other than God?”I assume you are saying that you believe “the Word” was someTHING other than God. Is that correct?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,22:56)Adjectival GenitivesThis is the most fundamental role of a genitive, it describes. Whether as a true genitive or as an ablative, the genitive describes the head noun.Where are you seeing a genitive “theos” in John 1:1c?Which genitive word are you talking about in that verse?

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,13:45)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's. The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it; and without it was not any thing made that was made.Okay.  It seems we are still on the same page that “the Word” was not actually “God Himself”, but something…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,15:58)so God the great architect does not foresee what he knows ,he shows what he knows will come to be ,Pierre, what you seem to be saying is that God “foreknows”, but doesn't “foresee”.  And those two things are at odds with each other.Do you SEE what I mean?The word “see” sometimes means the same thing as…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,13:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,05:33)Okay, but the bottom line is that you realize that the one who rides on a white horse and is called by the name “The Word of God” IS in fact a real, live PERSON?Is that correct?Mike,I perceive that is correct.  I concur. We both agree that “the Word of God” refers to a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2014,09:24)Mike………I can not believe you reason that way, If you say your words are Your Thoughts, that is correct and your Thoughts  ARE YOU, they are who and what you “ARE” is that to difficult for you to understand?.I don't say my words are my thoughts, Gene.  I say it isn't even a “word” until the thought i…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2014,20:20)SO WHAT JOHN SAW WAS WHAT ALREADY HAPPEN ,WHAT WAS HAPPEN AND WHAT WILL HAPPENPierre, If John was able to see “what WILL happen”, then John was able to “foresee”. Because that's what “foresee” means.And if you read the verse Marty posted, then you'll realize that John didn't foresee these things ON HIS OWN,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2014,01:20)Mike, I am too tired to argue the point!Victory is mine!

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 23 2014,20:24)Ok. We'll keep dancing for a little while longer.I'm sure I won't get a kiss at the end of the dance!At this rate, you're more likely to get a punch in the nose than a kiss! journey, you are a spunky one, and I enjoy our discussions.I'll get your and Wakeup's posts soon.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2014,18:30)Mike………Tell us, can you separate your words from your “Self”, and your words from who you “ARE” ? Tell us how you do that.  This a may be interesting, please enlighten us Mike.  peace and love…………………………………..geneYes Gene,I said the words, “Bite me!” to someone back in &…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,19:46)AGAIN TO ME WHEN GOD TOLD THE PROPHETS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE THIS IS NOT FORESEEN ,BECAUSE HE HIS NOT INVESTIGATE THE FUTURE BUT MAKE IT ,BIG DIFFERENCE……….What about the things John himself was able to FORESEE in Revelation? He was FORSEEING things that haven't happened yet, right?

Gene,This is a private thread for right now.Kerwin,I'll get back to you soon.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2014,10:19)Mike,Technically God was still using prophets in the New Testament as well as other means such as the Apostles and angels.  You are correct.  But you know what that means, right?  Even though it was said that God spoke to us in these latter days through His Son, it didn't mean “to the EXCLUSION of any other pr…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 23 2014,02:15)As I said, of course we don't say in everyday conversation that somebody “came in the flesh” but we are talking about JESUS here, and there were many who claimed that Jesus did NOT come in the flesh (Gnostics) in those days. So those words, “Jesus came in the flesh” had more meaning than you would apply to…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,00:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,09:32)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,19:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2014,09:33)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,13:42)And God sends Michael to destroy the assyrians.How do you know that was Michael?Mike b.Micha'el is always the warior.Gabri'el is for God's messages.wakeup.Do you…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 23 2014,15:04)Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2014,06:56)JN 17:6 “ I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world;JN 17:26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it knownPierreSo, can you back up those scriptures now?   Where in the NT did Jesus make God's name known to us?His one an…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 23 2014,06:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2014,10:57)Hi journey,Here are a few of them:Matthew 2:11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,01:23)Mikeb.IN YOUR EYES;JESUS IS ALSO GUILTY OF NEVER USING HIS FATHERS NAME.HE CALLS HIS GOD;FATHER. NAUGHTY HIM, AND NAUGHTY US INDEED.HE, AND US ARE GUILTY; MIKE SAID SO.WE SHOULD HAVE CALLED HIM JEHOVAH OR YHWH?NOW WHAT CAN WE DO,BUT FOLLOW THE JW'S.Is that the only bit of straw you are holding on to?wakeup.The…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 23 2014,14:46)Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 23 2014,07:24)God brought forth His Word, and given Him a form like God's own image.WAKEUP,NOT HIS WORD EXACTLY, ALTHOUGH HE WAS GOD’S WORD, BUT WE  MUST DISTINGUISH IT FROM GOD'S ACTUAL WORDS!Amen Charles!  And then, we must distinguish the Word OF God from God Himself.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2014,10:50)Mike,I believe that one called by the name of the word of God is a person but I also acknowledge Revelations is a book of prophecy and so it is filled with symbolism.Okay, but the bottom line is that you realize that the one who rides on a white horse and is called by the name “The Word of God” IS in fact a real,…[Read more]