Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2014,10:35)I just use so that those that choose to put it above other translations may pay attention to what God states without putting non-important things in the way.  A variation of being a Jew to a Jew.Fair enough.  I find myself doing the same when I discuss with journey and Wakeup…… because it seems they will o…[Read more]

Are you sure?  I wonder because of a couple of things.First, you said that Adam was originally created “perfect” – or with a “spiritual flesh body” – or whatever, right?And if sin entered the world through this first “perfect” human being, and Jesus was a “corresponding sacrifice” to counteract that sin, then wouldn't the body Jesus sacrificed…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,22:59)I read John 1:1 wrong as as theos is the word was God is normative and not genitive as I thought it was.That's what I assumed.And yes, the word order of the Greek is, “and theos was the logos”.But that is like the phrase “casa blanca” in Spanish. It literally means “house white”. But in English, we would swap…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2014,06:21)Mike,1. Trinitarian Translation & Interpretation #1: “the Word was God” = Jesus was divine by nature (Jesus was “what”).    2. Trinitarian Translation & Interpretation #2: “the Word was God” = Jesus was the one God (Jesus was “who”).    3. Modalist Translation & Interpretation #1: “the Word was God” = Jes…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,16:14)Yes, I tend to believe “the word is God” is a flawed translation as all John had to do to make it more certain that was the translation is add “the”.Wonderful!  We are both blessed enough to overlook that flawed and very misleading translation that is so prominent in the Trinitarian-sponsored Bibles.You are…[Read more]

Kerwin,1. Why are you lately acting as if the “AV of the KJV” is the ultimate authority on things? 2. My point stands. If leaving out mention of angels and other prophets in these latter days did not prohibit God from talking to them through angels and other prophets in the latter days, then leaving out specific mention of the Son in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,14:36)God KNOWS WHAT HE HIS DOING AND WERE HE IS GOING AND SO TO HIM THERE IS NO FOREKNOWLEDGE OR FORESEEING AT ALLIsaiah 41:22-23“Tell us, you idols, what is going to happen. Tell us what the former things were, so that we may consider them and know their final outcome.Or declare to us the things to come, tell u…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 26 2014,08:55)PROVERBS 8:22The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his ways, before he made any thing from the beginning.24The depths were not as yet, and I was already conceived. neither had the fountains of waters as yet sprung out:25The mountains with their huge bulk had not as yet been established: before the hills I was…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 26 2014,08:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,15:48)I agree that “wisdom” is an abstract qualityMike, what is an abstract quality?IS IT AWKWARD FOR YOU TO CALL IT SPIRIT?It's not that it would be “awkward”.  It's more a matter of it being inaccurate.Love is also an abstract quality that most of us have.  But I also don't b…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 26 2014,08:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,15:48)it still wouldn't mean that God has a particular spirit named “Wisdom”Mike,Names are nothing, it is the THE SPIRIT what counts, so GOD WOULD ALLOCATE WISDOM TO A PARTICULAR SPIRIT WHICH HE EMANATE AND INSERT IT IN HIS CREATURES, LIKE HE DID IN SOLOMON……….It is thought…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 26 2014,08:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,15:48)I don't see evidence here that literal wisdom is a “spirit”, or a “spirit being”.Mike, READ:Isaiah 11:2And THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD shall rest upon him:  THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE SPIRIT OF COUNSEL, AND OF FORTITUDE,THE SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE, AND OF…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 25 2014,12:10)God gave Solomon a spirit and this particular spirit was of wisdom!I don't know of any scripture that says God gave Solomon “a spirit of wisdom” – but I suppose the following could poetically be said:  “And God placed the spirit of wisdom in Solomon's heart” – or something similar.But even if we said it all…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,15:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,22:20)We both agree that “the Word of God” refers to a real, live person in Revelation 19:13.  So our only difference on this matter seems to be that I believe the same phrase also refers to a real, live person in John 1:1 and 1:14……. and you don't.Does that sound about…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2014,21:08)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Why would you forget that we are not to worship the creation – just because the KJV people were Trinitarians who wanted us to believe that Jesus was indeed God Almighty Himself on earth?NO: IT IS BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT SEE DEEP ENOUGH.YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SURFACE.YOU ARE A SURFACEDWELLER. YOU…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,20:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,04:55)Your own God-given common sense told you that Jesus, while on earth, was a creation and a son of God.Yes.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,20:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2014,04:55)That same common sense told you that it would be ludicrous to WORSHIP a creation who was…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 16 2014,15:56)Mike,Yes, Jesus did have a body that was guided by the breath before his resurrection.And do the rest of us have that same kind of body – one that is “guided by the breath”?

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 24 2014,20:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,08:04)I'll get your and Wakeup's posts soon.Ok MikeI've got all the time in the world for the next few days only.Okay,Let's go back a little bit.  Your own God-given common sense told you that Jesus, while on earth, was a creation and a son of God.That same common sense told…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 24 2014,21:36)Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 25 2014,14:05)Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2014,12:59)EdMike doesn't realize I'm a trained fighter and was given a sword Yes, I know!   …there is spiritual truth to that song, see Link…    (Link)EDJ.A spititual song of a non believer?wakeup.Wakeup,I think Ed quoted the wrong post from jou…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 24 2014,14:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2014,07:41)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2014,10:19)Mike,Technically God was still using prophets in the New Testament as well as other means such as the Apostles and angels.  You are correct.  But you know what that means, right?  Even though it was said that God spoke to us in these la…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2014,16:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2014,10:09)Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2014,01:20)Mike, I am too tired to argue the point!Victory is mine!   Mike, NO.Victory is not ours but God's – through Jesus Christ the Lord!My only intention on this site is to make sure the actual truth of God's written word comes into the light.If…[Read more]