So then you believe the first Adam was created as a perfect being, but the last Adam was a sin-ridden fraction of that first man?Also, please address the scriptures I quoted – the ones that say Jesus had to be an UNBLEMISHED lamb.

And what about the Deuteronomy passage I quoted, Pierre?Are you saying that God didn't foresee the things the Israelites were going to do, but that He CAUSED them to go after other gods on purpose, just so He could be right?Are you saying God FORCED all those calamities on the nation He had just rescued, and claimed as His very own?

journey,I think for your first question, you should ask something about the NWT. It seems that no matter what we're discussing, and regardless of whether or not I've even mentioned the NWT, our discussion moves to a point where you're slamming that translation.I believe those slams are without just cause. But since you do it so regularly,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 27 2014,18:07)Mikeb.Meditate on these scripture ok?  Isaiah 42:8   I am the LORD: that is my name:      ***and my glory will I not give to another***,           neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 48:11   For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted?     ***and I will not g…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,23:34)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)You can't deny it, because you've just displayed the truth of that statement for all of us to see.At first, you knew in your heart of hearts that Jesus was a created man who was NOT God Almighty, and that therefore none of the disciples would have ever “worshipped” him while he was on…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,22:18)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)journey puts more faith in the KJV translation than she does in the commands of God Himself.MikeI could say the same to YOU. “Mike puts more faith in the NWT than he does in the commands of God himself.”No you couldn't, journey. And here's why I CAN say it, and you can't:You have not yet…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 26 2014,20:39)WHOLE CREATION WILL BOW. IS THIS JUST HONOUR?What do you mean by “JUST honor”?  It will be a magnificent amount of honor paid to the one God Almighty thought worthy enough to rule heaven and earth as King.It will not, however, be “worship”.  Listen to what the angel told John in Revelation, Wakeup:  “Worship GOD“.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2014,16:53)1. I can see the reasoning that Son did not significantly speak to the fathers even though he might of been existence.2. I use it to point out that the various angels speaking to the fathers are not the Son.1. You are correct that even IF the Son didn't actually speak to any of the fathers, it wouldn't mean he…[Read more]

From another thread:Deuteronomy 3116 And the LORD said to Moses: “You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. 17 And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will h…[Read more]

Pierre,Jehovah says in scripture that He can tell the end from the beginning.  How?  Because He already knows what the end will be.  How?  Because He can foresee that end.Acts 1616 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2014,19:31)….but then the sloth started swimming in slow motion. I couldn't believe that he could stay afloat at that speed …..I've seen sloths swim on nature programs. But I've never actually seen a sloth with my own eyes.I imagine they're pretty stinky, since algae and other things grow right on them.Someone needs to…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 27 2014,10:54)Wakeup,these  ARE your words:Quote FOR GOD HAD TO GIVE JOHN THE SIGN OF A DOVE TO IDENTIFY JESUS,THE TRUE MESSIAH.AND I PROVED TO YOU THAT JOHN RECOGNIZED JESUS, AS THE SON OF GOD BEFORE THE DOVE WENT ON JESUS! SINCE HE SAID TO JESUS THAT JESUS OUGHT TO BAPTISE HIM RATHER! SO THEY KNEW EACH OTHER!This is a tough…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Jan. 27 2014,00:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 27 2014,01:50)So perhaps God just allowed another 5% of Solomon's brain to be used.MIKE, THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU, YOU PUT GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HUMANITY!WHATEVER GOD DO HE ONLY DOES IT THROUGH HIS SPIRIT, IN HIS SPIRIT, AND BY HIS SPIRIT, SO IT WOULD BE TOTALLY SPIRIT…[Read more]

Howdy Wm,Isaiah 41:22-23“Tell us, you idols, what is going to happen. Tell us what the former things were, so that we may consider them and know their final outcome.Or declare to us the things to come, tell us what the future holds, so we may know that you are gods.IMO, Jehovah is saying that if the idols of the nations were truly gods, they t…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 26 2014,15:48)SO DOES GOD FOREKNOWS OR SHOULD WE SAY ;KNOWS HIS KNOWING THE SAME AS FOREKNOWING I don't understand the last part of what you said, but I believe that “foresee” and “foreknow” are the right words in this case.

Yes Pierre,There is a big difference between YOU planning out the route you want to take from A to D – and GOD planning His route.YOU can't control the variables that might cause you to be stopped in your tracks.On the other hand, God CAN control those variable.And if there happens to be a murder on C, rest assured that God already knew ahead of…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,11:46)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Jesus is never said in any scripture to have “created” ANYTHING AT ALL.  Nor is there any scripture that says “the Word” created anything at all.If God commands, and the Word obeys, then it's the Word that has executed God's will.  They both go together. Have you been reading the s…[Read more]

Question:Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,11:38)Mike, why do you have to make this so drawn out?Answer:Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2014,11:38)I am standing firm with my KJV translation, and state it is the true Word of God.journey, I had to draw it out, making many references to the same thing over and over, so that you will never be able to deny…[Read more]

From a sloth's point of view, a human slowly jogging past is probably moving so fast it is a blur to him.A sloth probably sees a slow moving human the way we see a bee buzzing from flower to flower as a blur that our eyes can't keep up with.Nature is truly amazing, and undeniably points to a truly magnificent and awe-inspiring Creator.

Pierre,Follow along with me here:If God is in control, and can shape the future anyway He wants it to be, and no one can stop His plans, then God already KNOWS what WILL BE – because He is the one who is going to cause it to be that way, right?And since He already KNOWS, ahead of time, what He is going to cause to happen, then He already KNOWS,…[Read more]