Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 26 2014,09:54)“FORESEE ” IS ONLY RELATED TO MEN ;From Dictionary.com……….fore·know  1.  to know beforehand. Synonyms foresee……….Pierre, you believe God “foreknows”, right?  Then you also believe that God “foresees” – whether you like it or not – because the two words are synonyms.To “foreknow” is to have “fo…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2014,22:26)So far you have not given me one scripture to support your view,so please do,Galatians 3 NET6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, 7 so then, understand that those who believe are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2014,22:10)MikeShow me were it says in scriptures that God foresees,???Read the bolded part of my previous post, Pierre.I don't know of a scripture that explicitly says, “God can foresee future events”.But if you are comfortable believing that John and other prophets COULD foresee the future, while Jehovah God Almighty…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 25 2014,22:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2014,00:40)Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 23 2014,12:22)MikeJohn had vision of things that was to come………Pierre,That is simply another way of saying, “John was able to SEE future events.”And “SEEING FUTURE EVENTS” is called “FORESEEING”.John could not FORESEE those things unless…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 26 2014,16:29)Marty.All I asked was for you to post those *nine* versesfrom your bible.Wakeup,I have once again addressed your first scripture. And I have once again received no response from you about it.So I suppose that I will once again have to hear you complain about how I didn't address your scriptures, right?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2014,09:40)Marty………we all know God uses Evil to discipline his Children that is Obvious………..I think Marty may have misspoke when he claimed that “the scriptures translate it as evil”.What he meant to say is that the KJV and a couple of other really old and outdated Bibles that don't use the same English…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 24 2014,20:38)Saying that God as to foresee what John the men is foreseeing this mean that heather of them ad knowledge prior to the event…………Is THAT what's been holding you back, Pierre?Are you thinking that God's ability to foresee what's going to happen means that God is like a fortune teller with a crystal…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 25 2014,03:16)Mikw B.This is how the new translations can lead oneastray far away from the truth.KJV:  Proverbs 8:22   The LORD **possessed me** in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.  Proverbs 8:23   **I was set up from everlasting**, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.  Proverbs 8:24   When there…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 25 2014,03:31)MikeB.A swindler using lying words to deceive a personto steal all his money.That person will be put in jail; NOT his lying words………..And a thief using a gun to rob someone will also be put in jail, while the gun will not.Are you seeing the difference between possessions and people?The gun is a possession -…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 25 2014,14:05)you had a wrong interpretation mike. ill post again what wallace said…… Its lack of a definite article keeps us from identifying the person of the Word (Jesus Christ) with the person of “God”………..Just focus on that one part I quoted above, jammin.  Mr. Wallace clearly tells you that the person of the…[Read more]

What now?  Don't you know that “vision” means “SEE”?If John “had a VISION of things to come” – as you say – then John was able to SEE things to come.Do you understand that?And if John was able to SEE things that hadn't yet happened, John was able to FORESEE those things.  Because “FORESEE” means “being able to see things that haven't yet h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 23 2014,12:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2014,01:36)What PURPOSE would it serve to show Jesus as a radiant, glorious, blinding being, if he was never going to be anything other than a regular looking flesh and bone human being like everyone else?Mike,Peter already told you the purpose.”but with our eyes we saw his majesty”So…[Read more]

Okay. And in which of the verses we're discussing would you like to argue for a “more sensible” understanding of “perceive with the mind” instead of “see with the eyes”?(Remember that just because it CAN mean “x”, doesn't mean “x” fits the context or the teaching the best.)

Wakeup,Your other posts are just the same old, same old.  (Btw, if Jehovah was really speaking EVERY word that Jesus said, as you've claimed, then Jehovah prayed to Himself, and asked Himself to take the cup away from Himself.  Perhaps you need to rethink some things.)But as for this post:Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 23 2014,16:46)Colossians 1:15   Who is…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 23 2014,17:51)True;And God's nature is what He stands for.What He stands for is in the Words He has spoken.God's nature is “spirit”, Wakeup.Don't go adding to what the scriptures say. They say that God is spirit. They don't say that God is any of His own words.A person's words are not their “nature”.

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 23 2014,17:31)If you still cannot understand; then there is a blockage.There is nothing anyone can do.Oh, I've always UNDERSTOOD what it is you were claiming, Wakeup.I just am not clear about whether or not you realize that a person's POSSESSIONS are not actually that PERSON.If the Word is one of God's many POSSESSIONS, then…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 24 2014,18:33)Mike B.Exod.4:11Just to see what your bible says.wakeup.Exodus 4:11New International VersionThe LORD said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?New Living TranslationThen the LORD asked Moses, “Who makes a person's…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Feb. 24 2014,00:37)Mike,THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WHAT GOD EMANATES!AND WHAT GOD CREATS!Stop right there, Charles. Show me what you claimed in scripture, and THEN maybe I'll read the rest of your post.

So jammin,Using that information from Mr. Wallace, we can finally answer the question of this thread:The Word is Jesus Christ, a powerful spirit being (god) just like his own God, who was given divine nature just like many of us will someday be given, and who is NOT “the person of God Himself”.NOW we can finally close the thread.

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 23 2014,20:24)We know that “the Word” is the subject because it has the definite article, and we translate it accordingly: “and the Word was God.” Two questions, both of theological import, should come to mind: (1) why was θεός thrown forward? and (2) why does it lack the article?In brief, its emphatic position stresse…[Read more]