Now for my next MUST ANSWER question:
SINCE IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND NOW ACKNOWLEDGED BY YOU THAT MY ANALOGY MICAH PROPHECY IS TALKING ABOUT LITERAL DAYS, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURE THAT MAKES IT UNDENIABLY CLEAR THAT WHEN GOD USED THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE IN GENESIS 1 (NUMERICAL VALUES AND EVENING/MORNING ATTRIBUTED TO THE DAYS), AND THAT WHEN GOD…[Read more]

LU:  Every use of the word “born” was applied to someone/something that existed in some manner beforehand for a period of time. Your son existed long before he was born, for instance.

Okay, I’ll concede for argument’s sake that living things “exist” before they are passed through the birth canal or whatever.  But you’ll have to concede that every…[Read more]

Mike: If it was a matter of just that ONE “possessed/created” word, you might have a valid argument.  But that word is immediately followed up by three other words from Jesus himself that DEMAND a meaning of “created” for the first word.

LU:  Really???  I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains w…

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LU: Jesus is the only begotten son, begotten before the ages, before the first works of old, i.e. before creation.

How do you know that? You’re the one that told me “begotten” referred to Jesus being begotten from the dead.

LU: God said “today I have begotten you” in Heb 1. That refers to the begetting from the dead.

See?  Which scriptural instan…[Read more]

Mike:  KATHI, DOES YOUR GOD AND CREATOR HAVE A SON NAMED JESUS OR NOT?

 

LU:  The Father and the Son are the creator. The Father has a son named Jesus. The Father together with His Son are the creator. They are my God.

So then your DIRECT answer is “NO”.  Is that correct?  Now consider that the two most well-known verses in the Bible are Gen 1:1…[Read more]

LU:  That was satan’s claim, he was lying.

And Jesus – who openly called Satan the prince of this world – was unaware that Satan was lying?  Because his response to Satan certainly wasn’t, “What are you talking about?  You don’t have authority or possession of any of these kingdoms.”

Revelation 12:12… Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who…[Read more]

Hi Kathi.  You must have overlooked this one from a few days ago.  I’d really like an answer to the question at the bottom.  Thanks.

LU:  Together they are YHVH! I worship them as our YHVH creator.

Yes… so you’ve said repeatedly.  I’m asking you if the God that YOU worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and everything in them has a son and servant named Jesus.

Kathi, your God and Creator have a son named Jesus or not?

Mike:  Every heavenly son of God is “God’s own son”.

LU: Please provide scriptures that call any son an only begotten Son of God.

Why are you conflating “God’s own son” with “only begotten son”?  Consider the example of Isaac, Abraham’s “only begotten son”.  Does that mean that Ismael is somehow NOT “Abraham’s own son”?  Are not ALL of your chil…[Read more]

Mike:  Proclaimer, if heaven and earth and sun were already in existence by the end of Gen 1:1, why was there darkness over the surface of the deep in Gen 1:2?

Proclaimer:  One possible explanation is the dense atmosphere. It blocked out light. Then as the atmosphere cleared, the sun’s light filtered through the watery / gaseous atmosphere allow…

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Proclaimer:  How did this bad boy come through the firmament. I have a theory. The firmament is open sky.

“And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

You mean that giant sinkhole?  Sinkholes happen all the time on the earth.  Nothing need to come through…[Read more]

Mike:  Every heavenly son of God is “God’s own son”.  After all, who else’s son would they be if not God’s?  

Berean:  Yes by creation

There are at least four different scriptures that say Jesus was also created, Berean.  You don’t LIKE that thought and so try to ignore/twist those scriptures into not saying what they CLEARLY say, but that c…[Read more]

I was just scrolling through my most recent comments and realized that I have made a TERRIBLE blunder in this post…

Kathi’s direct answer (that Jesus’ disciples and all who believe through them WILL become a part of Jesus and God) is most certainly NOT the correct answer!  None of us will EVER become a part of Jesus OR a part of his and…[Read more]

LU: Thank you Berean, you understand… He is the only begotten Son of God as Jesus, Himself tells us in John 3:16:

16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 

The God whom I worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and everything in them…[Read more]

Berean: Hi Mike

I assume that LU means by “Biological son” what is written in Romans 8 (in capitals)
verse 3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending HIS OWN SON in the likeness of sinful flesh…

Hi Berean.  I appreciate the comment, but that would fit any of God’s sons.  Do you know of the singer Marvin…[Read more]

LU: Do they also believe that Jesus was created?

See how you want to make another ridiculous point.

Do you think that the true Light that entered the world has some people blinded?

I’m not sure how pointing out that two of YOUR favorite Trinitarian commentators agree with all the other commentators on that page that Satan is the god of this…[Read more]

Mike: Who is right, Kathi?  Proclaimer or the Bible?

 

LU:  The answer has nothing to do with us both having the same concern about your teaching.  If we have different views of what passage abc means, it is ridiculous to extrapolate that as a reason we couldn’t both be concerned about what you are doing.

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Mike: John 17:21…  that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

So in your mind, is that Jesus saying that his disciples – and all who will come to believe through them – will also be a part of Jesus and a part of God?  Yes or No, please.

LU:  Yes…

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LU:  Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

Brilliant.  Way to use the scriptures to completely refute my claim.  Adam was clearly a bad example.  Allow me to try again…

LU:  A son, by default is a biological offspring of the paren…

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Mike: You say he is a PART of that God .

 

LU: So does Jesus.

John 17:20   …You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.

John 17:21…  that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

So in your mind, is that Jesus saying that his disciples – and all…[Read more]