Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,16:15)Hi KW, Gen 6.3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.And yet, God DIDN'T say such a thing about His spirit sons, right Kerwin?Created “in the image” of God and His already existing spirit sons does not mean…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,16:04)Souls can be under the altar in heaven

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,15:33)……..the body of man spiritual just like than angels it was created like as God said “Let us make man to our image ….”.So which is your truth, Kerwin……….1. God is also flesh like mankind and the angels.2. Mankind is a spirit being like God and the angels.Once again, you've shot yourself in the foot.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,12:06)There is no mention of angels having bodies composed of spirit in Scripture.Read 2 Cor 5:1-5, Kerwin.  It speaks of us eagerly awaiting the demise of our “earthly tent”, so that we can be given a much better “heavenly dwelling” by God.What does that mean to you?  What does Paul mean by “earthly tent”?  And by “h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,12:06)Mike,I do not follow Gnostic or Gnostic like teachings.  Please explain to me what that statement means, Kerwin.For example, Gnostics believe in God.  Are you saying you DON'T?I don't know the technical term for this kind of ad hominem, but it is similar to “guilt by association”.In your mind, the Gnostics are “…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,11:54)Mike,Quote Jesus is not still flesh, Gene.  Flesh can neither see, enter, nor inherit the kingdom of God in heaven. (John 3, 1 Cor 15)  Jesus has done all three.Neither of those verses say what you want them to say.  I don't “want” them to say anything, Kerwin.  I just understand them in the most logical and sen…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2014,20:06) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)The teaching in Isaiah 9:6 is that this son who is to be born WILL BE called these things.  So there is not a “FROM eternity” teaching there – only a “WILL BE called eternal benefactor (father)” teaching.He will not be called from everlasting if he was notfrom everlasting. That would be a…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 13 2014,01:20)SO JESUS EVEN IN HIS FLESH BODY HE MAINTAIN THE DIVINITY OF GOD!NOTHING LESS CAN CARRY THE FATHER WITHIN!So then the rest of us who have God dwelling in us are also divine beings?We are also “God Himself” because God dwells “in us”?

Quote (carmel @ April 13 2014,01:20)Mike,I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT FOR SURE AS I AM IN EXISTENCE:GOD WAS WITHIN THE SON OF MAN!So God can be “IN” man, but God is NOT man, right?What does that tell us, Charles?It tells us that God was “IN” Jesus, but the man Jesus was NOT God.

Quote (carmel @ April 13 2014,01:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2014,11:35)…….surely you know that God is not a “son of man” – as per Numbers 23:19.  Jesus was. Mike,Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie,DEFINITION: GOD IS NOT A KIND OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD TELL LIES……..No Charles.It says God is not a man, nor a son of man. It…[Read more]

Nick, journey, and Wakeup,My mom has brought up a couple of points for you guys:1.  What was God's original intention for the earth?  Wasn't it to fill the earth with FLESH beings, humans included?2.  The earth surely wasn't created for spirit beings, since those angels who left their lofty abode to come to earth were dealt with harshly by Go…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ April 12 2014,22:50)Adam was born by the will of God, but not born “of God”.God was Adam's Father yes, just like he was a father to the angels he created, but none of them “came out of God”.Then of what were they created, journey?This is the point I'm making to Daniel in another thread.  If at first there was ONLY God, then it…[Read more]

Hi journey,Thanks for your well-thought-out and easy-to-read explanation.Your final conclusion is the same as Nick's – which is “No More Flesh”.I don't quite believe that yet, and will be on the lookout as I go through my current reading of the scriptures.I also don't know why you are separating Jews from Gentiles, when Paul said there is no more…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2014,11:41)God created the heaven and earth, the physical, first.God created the beasts, the natural, second.God created the humans, the spiritual, last.That's too much, Kerwin.Human beings are natural beings, originally made FROM the elements of the earth.  We were never “spiritual” beings like angels.Nor is any of that…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2014,09:27)Trying to go beyond that by saying are we to literally eat his flesh and bones and drink his blood? since Jesus is still flesh,  has nothing to do with it with the Metaphor Jesus was using at all.  When the Son of MAN return he still will have a BODY and Not be Just SPIRIT. He will be seen by all human b…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2014,08:16)A Word is not Flesh and never can be Flesh, a Word is Spirit but can come to dwell in flesh, but never be it, not now or ever could. You are preaching a version of “MYSTERY RELIGION”. You are not producing Scripture to meet what you are saying , Just unsubstantiated teaching you have learned over many…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 13 2014,05:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2014,10:37)Agreed.  Jesus Christ is indeed a particular god – a god whose OWN GOD set him above his companions.Mike,GOD ALMIGHTY IS A PARTICULAR GOD…..Well, you said the word “particular” a lot in that post, Charles………. but I didn't see a single word that refuted what I've…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 12 2014,15:57)MikeYOU ARE ALSO A BABY WHO NEED MILK…….Charles,If it is milk I need, then why do you feed me wine from the whore of Babylon?Quote (carmel @ April 12 2014,15:57)IF JOHN WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT JESUS JUST CAME DOWN, HE WOULD HAVE USED THE OTHER TERMS WHICH CLARIFIES THAT!You mean like, “God so loved the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 10 2014,19:33)Mike B.FROM EVERLASTING;NOT WILL BE EVERLASTING.Wakeup,The teaching in Isaiah 9:6 is that this son who is to be born WILL BE called these things.  So there is not a “FROM eternity” teaching there – only a “WILL BE called eternal benefactor (father)” teaching.You are adding the “FROM eternity” into the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,15:08)Heavenly bodies enable access to heaven, as we see with Jesus Christ, but the future home of the elect is on earth.Okay Nick,But how often has Jesus come back to earth with his new heavenly body? That is my point. Given the choice of hanging out with God in the heavenly realms, or living on the natural…[Read more]