The First Day
Gen 1:1… In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This is an introductory statement.  It introduces the the event that is about to be described in more detail.  A similar introductory statement is used in Gen 2:4.  At this point, there exists neither heaven nor earth.
Gen 1:2… Now the earth was formless and void, an…[Read more]

Okay Proclaimer… here’s what we’ve learned about your interpretation of Gen 1:

1.  The creation of heaven automatically includes the creation of the things IN heaven, but the creation of earth DOESN’T include the creation of the things ON earth.  You can’t explain this discrepancy.

2.  The words, “Let there be light – and there was light” re…[Read more]

Hey Berean, that long article you posted argued the same points that I’ve been trying to make based solely on the Bible and God-given common sense.  Great read, thanks.  The only fault I have with it is the “spinning ball” reference…

“Light was in existence, coming from one direction upon a rotating earth, resulting in the day and night c…

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Hi Proclaimer. You still didn’t answer the question.  What did God do to “separate light from darkness”?

See, God not only said, “Let there be light”, but He also “separated the light from the darkness”.

What process or action by God SEPARATED the light from the darkness once the atmosphere cleared in the light finally reached the surface of…[Read more]

Proclaimer, thanks.  Please address the question in the parenthetical part within point #6.  I’m asking what act God performed to “separate light from darkness”.

I’ll be back by the weekend if not before.  Cheers.

Mike: Are you saying there were two different clearing the atmosphere events?  Please elaborate.  Thanks.

Proclaimer:  Nope. But I guess that is possible. But it can be explained with constant clearing from the initial conditions…  Pay attention Mike. Darkness was on the face of the deep and the atmosphere cleared to allow filtered light throu…

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Mike: So your story is that heaven and earth already existed in Gen 1:1. But the earth was completely dark because, although the sun existed, volcanic air pollution (or whatever) prohibited the light of the sun from reaching the earth. And when God said, “Let there be light”, He literally meant, “Let there be a clearing of the earth’s atmosphe…

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Hey @Danny Dabbs, I’m here on this thread for you.  I’m not going to use my time continually refuting Proclaimer’s memes, videos, misunderstandings, and erroneous claims.

But if there are ever any of his claims or memes that YOU want me to address, just ask. 👍

Proclaimer:  The old plane needs to dip argument proving a flat earth has been debunked… When you fly, it is altitude that you maintain. If I fly at 5000 feet then it will naturally follow the curve.

You’re not thinking it through.

1.  The gyro (and the plane’s horizon indicator) are level with the Phoenix runway.

2.  The plane takes off an…[Read more]

Mike:  Are you saying that what happened to allow the light to reach the earth is that a polluted atmosphere cleared up?

Proclaimer:  Correct. 

So your story is that heaven and earth already existed in Gen 1:1.  But the earth was completely dark because, although the sun existed, volcanic air pollution (or whatever) prohibited the light of the…[Read more]

Hi Berean.  Please just directly answer my question as I asked it.  Does the God you worship as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that in them is have a son and servant named Jesus Christ?  Yes or No?

How about you, Berean?  Does the God you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and everything in them have a son and servant named Jesus Christ?

Mike:  2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the God that you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that is in them?

Kathi, what is your “Yes or No” answer to the question?

Proclaimer:  When the Bible talks about kingdoms of the world / earth, it is not talking about the planet. Earth for example just means land, but those ignorant think it means what we call earth today, the whole planet.

Everybody remember these words from Proclaimer.  I will use them against him soon.  In the meantime…

Mike:  You suggest that…

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Proclaimer: …it seems clear that either Jesus was given a vision of all the kingdoms or that he saw the four corners of the earth…  Going up a high mountain was not to get a better view, but is what Jesus did when he went to pray to the Father.

Matthew 4:8-9… The devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the w…[Read more]

Proclaimer: I see. The waters were on the face and plants and seeds on the face of the earth.

And birds fly across the face.

So they are flying over the dome.

Interesting.

Don’t forget to put a bird outside the dome in your flat earth model.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.  If you stand on the shore looking at the ocean, what is the FAC…[Read more]

Danny:  15) If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and desc…

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Danny: Hi Mike,

The article “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”
has many great arguments.
What I’m going to say is hard for me but I will say it anyway:
At this time, I’m no longer convinced that our earth is a globe!
Argument 15 got me thinking.
I will share this argument in the following post.

Dude, I feel your excitement, confusio…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Genesis 1:2
HEB: וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־ פְּנֵ֣י תְה֑וֹם וְר֣וּחַ
NAS: was over the surface of the deep,
KJV: and darkness upon the face of the deep.
INT: and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit

Genesis 1:2
HEB: מְרַחֶ֖פֶת עַל־ פְּנֵ֥י הַמָּֽיִם׃
NAS: over the surface of the waters.
KJV: moved upon the face of the wat…

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Mike: You say that earth and heaven (including the sun, moon, and stars) were created by the end of Gen 1:1.

Proclaimer: It says that God created the heavens and earth and these things are part of the heavens. So that is what the text says.

Actually, it says “heaven”, not “heavens”.  Secondly, you assume – for no valid reason – that the c…[Read more]