Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2014,21:04)So yes, the man Jesus Christ can never be the Father.And who is Isaiah 9:6 about, journey?Isn't it about “the man, Jesus Christ”?So if the person 9:6 is actually about “can never be the Father” – then why on earth would 9:6 say he would be called “everlasting father”?There are many other things I could address…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,10:50)phil 2.6 talks about Christ who being in the form of God, did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.So one of Jesus' options WAS to use FORCE to remain “equal to God”? Who would he have used that FORCE against, jammin? Himself, since he already WAS God according to you?

Quote (kerwin @ May 07 2014,10:12)What an absurd doctrine you choose to believe in. First you state Jesus is the one and only God at the same time he is not the one and only God. Or do you instead claim your God is a human being? Either way it is absurd. Why do you try to reason when you have chosen to discard reason in embracing that absurd…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,08:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,10:19)Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:48)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Matthew 25:41Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”Does the fact that the fire is ETERNAL mean that fire has existed FROM…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,08:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,10:13)Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:39)1.  God is not LIMITED. 2.  HE IS ALL POWERFUL, 3.  HE IS ALMIGHTY, 4.  HE IS ALL KNOWING, 5.  THAT IS THE NATURE OF GOD.1.  Jesus IS limited.2.  Jesus is NOT all powerful.3.  Jesus is NOT almighty.4.  Jesus is NOT all knowing.5.  Those t…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 07 2014,08:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,10:30)Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,08:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2014,10:47)jammin, who does Gill think the word “God” refers to in Phil 2:6?1.  Nature/species – like YOU think?2.  The Father God – like I think?gill said the phrase form of God refers to nature or essence. t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,21:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2014,05:43)So, taken in context, and with the knowledge of Hebrew thought, and their use of the word “god” – it makes much more sense that they were accusing him of blasphemy by claiming to be a god, who was God's literal Son – sent down from heaven.Mike,I look at it somewhat different…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 06 2014,19:30)Nick………I agree with you, Jesus is the firstborn of the new creation of God the Father……My point was that no scripture actually says such a thing.

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,06:51)Mike,2) But they evidence you have presented that God has a form is evidence that humans have seen that form.  If Moses saw the appearance of God's back then he saw God.Moses asked to see God's glory…. not His form.

Quote (carmel @ May 06 2014,13:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2014,02:56)Quote (carmel @ May 04 2014,00:44)YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME!Bam!  A perfect scripture to tell you that Jesus is NOT God.  (The words “believe ALSO in me” are a dead giveaway, Charles.) Mike, BAM! A perfect scripture to tell you that Jesus is God. John 20:28 T…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,12:20)Jammin,Quote john 1031 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,08:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2014,10:47)jammin, who does Gill think the word “God” refers to in Phil 2:6?1.  Nature/species – like YOU think?2.  The Father God – like I think?gill said the phrase form of God refers to nature or essence. therefore, your explanation is not supported by gill.Gill's Exposition of the E…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:56)true christians believe that there is only ONE GOD THE FATHER. When jesus calls his father the only true God, it does not mean he is not God.So he was calling SOMEONE ELSE “the only true God”, but we should just naturally understand that Jesus was silently including himself as part of the OTHER person he was…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:48)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Matthew 25:41Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”Does the fact that the fire is ETERNAL mean that fire has existed FROM eternity?  YES or NO?is fire God or created by God? your example is non…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2014,11:09)jammin,It's time to focus on the second part of Phil 2:6.When Paul told us that Jesus “didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped” – who exactly is the God Paul was talking about?……….the phrase “WITH GOD”…. tells us that he is with his father.Good. At…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:39)1.  God is not LIMITED. 2.  HE IS ALL POWERFUL, 3.  HE IS ALMIGHTY, 4.  HE IS ALL KNOWING, 5.  THAT IS THE NATURE OF GOD.1.  Jesus IS limited.2.  Jesus is NOT all powerful.3.  Jesus is NOT almighty.4.  Jesus is NOT all knowing.5.  Those things you listed have nothing to do with “nature”, jammin.  They are distin…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 06 2014,07:39)how do you understand the word GOD? i am not referring to the father. you must understand that my question is about his nature God.The word “God” always refers to a PERSON in scripture, jammin.  (A couple of times, the KJV renders the word “el” as “mighty”, instead of as “god”.)  But for the most part, that word r…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2014,06:29)It does not change my answer as I believe some angels are shaped like humans while others are not…………You are free to believe whatever you want. But does that Ezekiel passage at least explain to you that I DON'T think Phil 2 says Jesus was existing in the form of a “son of man” before being made in the…[Read more]

Which book in the Bible was not written by a “Jew”, Kerwin?Paul was not only a Jew, but even a Pharisee.  And Paul alluded to Enoch in his own writings.So if the Book of Enoch equates “spiritual” with “immortal heavenly beings”, and Paul was obviously familiar with the teachings of Enoch, then it makes sense that Paul was speaking of “spiritual…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 05 2014,19:49)Mike,I do believe that angels come in different forms as there are angels that guard the mercy seat that do have wing and may bear similar shape to the ones Ezekiel saw in his vision.  That's because they too are cherubim.