Quote (carmel @ May 10 2014,14:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 11 2014,04:26)He only had that body for the first 40 days after he was raised. Mike,WRONG!JESUS WAS IN  HIS RESURRECTED BODY ONLY FOR A FEW HOURS!I disagree Charles,I believe the flesh body of Jesus, in which he died and was raised, was transformed into his new spiritual body upon his…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,12:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2014,23:13)Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41)Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13)Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.What? ! ? !   Every single thing I preach on…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 11 2014,12:35)Quote (kerwin @ May 12 2014,05:24)Wakeup,Satan lost his place in heaven long ago when he first sinned.  He rules this dark world and reports to God just as he did in the days of Job.  Why do you think this world still suffers the adversity that Job did and more?Kerwin.If you read rev.12 carefully; you will n…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,17:38)Wakeup,I did not say that when the human sons of God went to report to God in Job when Satan was also among them.    I said that both humans and angels are the sons of God by creation and that some are also his sons by obedience to his word.  I have always viewed that passage as saying that Satan was traveling wi…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2014,15:44)Hi ,2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:06)I am not sure what your reasoning is but Moses never asked to see God's facial features so why would God come out of the blue and say “No man may see my face and live”?Kerwin,There are many explanations, which I don't have the patience to go through with you.  I will share just one possibility:Moses asked to see…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,23:07)T,Yes, after all it was Israelites that Jesus called the children of the Devil even though God said they were to be his children instead.Pierre and Kerwin,It was also those stubborn, stiff-necked rebels who Jehovah Himself called “children of God”.Don't forget that part. Being “stubborn” does not mean you cease…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,18:32)Wakeup,Human being come before God quite commonly because even in the AV of the KJB it is written that the Israelites under Joshua presented themselves before God, Joshua 24:1.Games. Nothing but games.

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,13:22)Mike,God does not sire children as a man does so I am not sure where the “literal” comes from.Kerwin,God is more your “literal Father” than is the earthly father THROUGH WHOM God made you.A “LITERAL” father would be the one who LITERALLY made you.  God is that one.Matthew 23:9And do not call anyone on earth…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2014,12:19)It was said by God that a mortal human being cannot see his face except they perish. You have agreed that he was speaking of his glory and goodness.I have agreed to no such thing, Kerwin.It wouldn't make sense to agree to such a thing. Moses asked to see God's glory, and WAS allowed to see it.He WASN'T allowed…[Read more]

Save your breath, Wakeup. The Lamb OF God is not the God he is the Lamb OF.Nor has a sacrificial lamb ever been the EQUAL of the one who sacrificed him.Once again, you are diverting away from the topic of discussion – and I won't be a part of it.I will continue to wait for journey's clear and direct answer to my last post to her. If you have a…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 08 2014,21:33)2 Peter uses the word Logos so is valid.So does this scripture:Matthew 12:37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.Does the fact that the Greek word is “logos” in the above scripture mean the “word” mentioned is Jesus Christ?  Of course not.On the other hand:Hebrews 11:3…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,10:54)Hi WU, The one you contend with is greater than you. The LordI don't know why you and Wakeup are butting heads, Nick.You are both teaching the same thing – as far as I can tell.

Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,09:17)Gene B.The apostles did not see Jesus as He really is.Therefore His appearence was not as he really is.When we are changed; then we will see Him as He really is.Therefore we can not use His appearing to the apostlesAs proof; that He is flesh and blood.Because that is not what He really is.Do you understand.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,22:01)Mike,I am not saying that there cannot be selective invisibility.   I am saying the way it is written when speaking of Jehovah has no context to base the claim there is selectivity in his case.No,It was said by Jesus himself that certain angels “always see the face of my Father in heaven”.It is only YOUR…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,02:28)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2014,19:26)Hi WU, You may have missed it but Jesus was raised in his original body to fulfill the sign of Jonah. To those who would not believe him he showed that flesh body.Nick.If you are saying that he did it to witness to his brothers that he is the one crucified.And that was not…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 09 2014,01:35)WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS.The apostles did not see him as he really is.So his appearing to the apostle can not be used as proof that he is flesh; because that is not what he is.That is correct, Wakeup.But I would change your last line to:So his appearing to the apostles can not be used as proof that he is STILL…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,21:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2014,07:41)Quote (kerwin @ May 08 2014,15:13)Mike has a doctrine that can be taught by reason even though I have pointed out to him it is not based on the word of God.What? ! ? !   Every single thing I preach on this site is based on the teachings found in the Bible.Mike,I realize that…[Read more]

Kerwin,”Adherents” has nothing to do with the LITERAL.  Satan is as much a LITERAL son of God as Michael and Gabriel are.Cain is as much a LITERAL son of God as Seth is.The teaching in Romans is more in line with John 1:12-13.  Both John and Paul were speaking about becoming a child of God in a completely different way………. a  BETTER wa…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ May 08 2014,00:02)NOW you say God the Father created the heavens and earth through his literal Word.NO he created through his true SON, the Logos, the Word.Both are equally accurate, Daniel.God literally SPOKE things into existence, and therefore created by His literal spoken words.  (Genesis 1, among many others.)But God created…[Read more]