The Hebrew words say, “from days of old, ancient times”.That same combination of Hebrew words is used elsewhere in scripture to refer to how old certain trees and mountains on the earth are.Will you say those trees and mountains of the earth are also “from everlasting”?It is a bad and biased KJV translation. Here are some better ones for…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,20:54)Mike,Quote The form of God is described in many scriptures, by men who were taken to heaven in visions and dreams.It is men who have never seen God that speak of seeing the similitude of God.  It is clear they could not of seen the literal similitude of God but a metaphorical similitude is a whole different…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,20:50)Mike,Quote John 3:13 NASB ©No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.It is the same Greek word “oudeis” in that verse too, Kerwin.  But would you understand that to mean Gabriel is still on earth after visiting Daniel…….. because LITERALLY NO ONE has ascended to h…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2014,19:48)Mike,Quote Flesh, blood, and bone all go together.  If I say YOU are “flesh and blood” – it doesn't mean you don't have any BONE in you – just because I didn't specifically mention “bone”.Not all believe your claim.  Some believe Jesus had no blood after his resurrection and I cannot not say he did as I know the p…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 16 2014,19:50)Mike,Quote I don't have any WISHES for what the scriptures SHOULD teach.  So when John said there were souls under the alter in heaven, I have no reason to disbelieve what he said.You do realize if your understanding is wrong it is because you do not believe what Scripture teaches. I believe exactly what…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 16 2014,15:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2014,10:26)Remember Charles, there isn't a servant who “became” God Almighty.  There still exists both God Almighty and His holy servant Jesus Christ.WRONG AGAIN MIKE………..Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2014,10:26)There is still a Most High God.  His name is Jehovah.  Jesus remains Je…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 16 2014,10:45)if christ is not equal with God then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. do you understand the logic here? commentaries also supported my view that Christ is equal with GodPulpit Commentary”to be equal with God.” Christ was equal with God (John 5:18; John 10:30). He did…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,22:33)I doubt that there are literally souls under the altar of heaven as the claim sounds metaphoric.It doesn't sound “metaphoric” to me.  Perhaps it does to you because of what you WANT the scripture to teach.I don't have any WISHES for what the scriptures SHOULD teach.  So when John said there were souls under the a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,22:04)Mike,Quote So you think FLESH can enter, all by itself?  And BLOOD can enter, all by itself?But they can't enter as a combination?That would be the literal interpretation.  If Paul meant only flesh could not inherit then why add the words “and blood”?Note: Be careful not to read into my words.  I am invest…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,22:19)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)It doesn't matter, because Jesus only used the word FLESH, Kerwin.  Jesus effectively took away your “flesh and BONE can enter” argument – long before Paul ever wrote his first letter to the Corinthians.  So it's time you give it up – don't you think?Jesus is speaking of the renewal of the s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,20:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2014,05:05)Kerwin,It doesn't matter if you want to say “new heaven”, “old heaven”, “current heaven”, or “tomorrow land heaven”……… because Jesus never mentioned the word “heaven” at all.  And even if he had, it wouldn't matter WHICH heaven he was talking about.The fact is that…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 15 2014,19:51)Mike,Quote And Paul says FLESH cannot inherit the kingdom of God.It does not say that.It instead says in part that “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God”I am not finished processing it as of yet.So you think FLESH can enter, all by itself? And BLOOD can enter, all by itself?But they can't enter as a…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 15 2014,19:12)if this phrase “form of his own God” (which you were saying) means they have the same form then i agree. Good enough.  I'm tired of talking about it.  Quote (jammin @ May 15 2014,19:12)if Christ is not equal with God, then paul should not say did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,21:25)Hi MB, Rom 814 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.This applies to Jesus too=after the JordanLk44 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,Jesus was already God's firstborn Son long before God ever sent His…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,21:07)Hi MB,But it does not mean he was the first to be created but he has acquired the rights of the firstborn Son.Yes, the word “firstborn” can be used metaphorically.  But it has as its DEFAULT meaning:  the one born first.We know of the metaphorical uses only by context.  Like when someone was said to have be…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,21:03)Hi MB, By being made one with the Spirit, Jesus has inherited all the history of the works of that Spirit.So, because Jesus inherited the Spirit, we can now attribute every thing the Spirit has ever done to Jesus? So then it was Jesus who was hovering over the waters in Genesis 1:2?Are you sure, Nick?

Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2014,00:10)MikeB.You are ignoring an important scripture.It says this: **WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE**.This is like deja vu! I just answered this in the other post.Wakeup, scripture says that ALL things came from God. Does that mean God Himself “came from God”?Use discernment when reading the…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 15 2014,00:49)Mike B.1.  And the Word WAS GOD.There is no other God.You gladly contradict the scriptures.You are saying that there is another God.2.  Without the Word was nothing made that was made.You are saying; except Jesus.3.  The scriptures says;He is from everlasting.You say; He is for everlasting.4.  Scripture says: he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,21:41)Hi MB, If scripture draws distinctions between Jesus and the angels should we disagree?Nick,2 Kings 25:28 NASB © and he spoke kindly to him and set his throne above the throne of the kings who were with him in Babylon.In this verse, many translations ADD the word “other”, making it say, “the throne of the othe…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2014,21:34)Hi MB Heb 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;Nick,First you ask me where Jesus is called a messenger, and then…[Read more]