Quote (carmel @ May 27 2014,12:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,14:05)Charles, how many times does Jesus mention “my God” in that verse?Does God Almighty call anyone “my God”?Mike,IRONICALLY AGAIN, YOU ARE PRODUCING SCRIPTURES WHICH ONLY COMPLETELY DESTROY YOUR BELIEF, AND YOUR ARGUMENTS! JOHN UP TO THAT PARTICULAR CHAPTER, AND WITHOUT…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:55)those two versions did not say Christ is not GodI don't think there is a version that says, “King David is not God.”Does that mean King David IS God? Come on, jammin.

Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:32)I am not John, but equal to John in essence…………Jesus is not God, but equal to God in essence……….bingo! i thought you do not believe Christ is equal with God?I don't…….. unless by “essence” you mean Jesus is a spirit being like God is a spirit being.Those two…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ May 27 2014,06:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2014,12:34)Quote (jammin @ May 22 2014,07:45)firstborn of all creation does not mean he was created by God.Sure it does, just like “firstborn from the dead” means he was the first of the dead to be born again.Revelation 3:14 and Proverbs 8:22-25 also back up our understanding of Col…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,03:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,10:31)Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2014,14:30)Hi MB, Listen to wakeup”If you dont believe that God was speaking through Jesus.May God help you.”I believe Jesus spoke exactly what God instructed him to speak.  I have never denied that God spoke through Jesus – just like God…[Read more]

Just added two more from the book of Ephesians. (See OP list)Thanks Nick! Would you like me to add your name as a contributing member in the OP?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,15:32)Hi KW, Yes it speaks of his soul. The same as his ascension but now covered in a heavenly body en route as happens with us.Agreed. As happened with Enoch and Elijah before Jesus, and as happens with some of us after Jesus.How do we know? Because flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. It is a spirit…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,15:27)Nick,I am not sure as Ephesians 4:9 is actually speaking of his soul descending to Sheol.  Ephesians 4:10 is speaking of his ascension so that would be his body, soul, and spirit.Well, he who ASCENDED first DESCENDED, Kerwin.Since he didn't DESCEND with a flesh body, then it's not likely he ASCENDED (all the way…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,15:19)hi KW, These may help3.Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?.John 1:51 And he saith unto…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,15:16)Mike,I am trying to cut back on extraneous quotes.Your choice, Kerwin.But if we have to post back and forth to each other five different times before I realize what you're even talking about, it might be better to just put my words in your response the first time.

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,15:15)The word combination “has ascended” means he has in the past ascended and is still there.Ahhhh…………. It's good to know WHAT you're on about, Kerwin.  From NETNotes:The verb ascended is a perfect tense in Greek (ἀναβέβηκεν, anabebhken) which seems to look at a past, completed event.A past, completed event…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,12:32)Nicodemus wanted to know how a man could be saved and Jesus told him a human must be born of water and spirit to be saved. Titus 3:5 states that Paul and Titus were saved “through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit”.That is salvation through birth of water and spirit just like Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,12:07)Mike,Quote How is that different, Kerwin?  Are you saying John already KNOWS exactly what he will be like, but that new body just hasn't yet been manifested so they can see it with their eyes?Close but it is not about seeing with just your eyes.  It is more like to come into existence, as in your changed body w…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2014,11:44)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So then, in your opinion, John DID see Jesus exactly as he is right now in heaven, but he didn't become like Jesus because the trump hadn't yet sounded?Yes.I disagree. I think it is clear from the scripture that John hadn't yet seen Jesus “as he now is”.But either way, there is no need…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 27 2014,17:12)Hi MB, You say”I said that God ALONE created all things THROUGH Jesus.  I say that, because that is what the scriptures say. ” Through Jesus or JESUS CHRIST?Why Nick?  Do you intend to prove that this “Spirit of Anointing” thing you invented was named “Jesus”?  Or perhaps you intend to prove that your “S…[Read more]

Nick,John 6:38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my will, but to do the will of him who sent me.1.  Nick, does this “spirit” you talk about have HIS OWN WILL, like a person?John 6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2014,09:37)Ed,The CONTEXT is that Jesus was the firstborn of every creature……….BECAUSE……. through him, all the things in heaven and on earth were created.Mike, there is no record of Jesus creating anything.Agreed. Well, scripture says he did “create” a whip out of cords he tied…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ May 27 2014,15:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2014,12:22)Well Ed,WHO created you?Hi Mike, God created my spirit, my flesh cam from my parents.Are you sure Ed?Send your dad out to the tool shed, and see how long it takes him to “create flesh”.God ALONE created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING IN THEM.Malachi 2:10Have we…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 26 2014,21:16)I know that he has become that spirit now through the Word of God which he obeyed without sin unto death on the cross.Jesus WAS the Word of God that God made everything through, Marty.That's why you see scriptures that say all things were made through “the Word”, and scriptures that say all things were made…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2014,20:59)Hi MB,So were the works of power-including teaching- said to be from the “spirit man” or from the anointing of the Spirit in Acts 10?Three questions in the second post of the previous page. Do them FIRST, Nick.In fact, don't speak to me UNTIL you've answered all three of them.