Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,19:53)i do not reject the fact that he went up to heaven ;what i say is that he died as a man of flesh Show me the SCRIPTURE that says he “died as a man of flesh”.You cannot, because there isn't one.  Plus, I thought the thing you were arguing is that Elijah and Enoch did NOT go to heaven, but instead died like…[Read more]

Hi journey,1 Corinthians 1524 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.The…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,21:11)and God does not lie ,scriptures says “is no more ” means is dead according to the flesh ,That is only YOUR opinion, Pierre.  The words, “Enoch was no more BECAUSE God took him“ do NOT tell us that Enoch was no more because God caused him to DIE, Pierre.You can think that if you want to………. but I'm…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ June 18 2014,11:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:20)John 20:17Jesus said, “Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”Will you now tell me that Jesus was calling HIMSELF “my God” in that verse as well?Mike,BY ALL MEANS!YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT JESUS WAS REFERRI…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,21:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2014,07:50)In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you now but God willing we talk more about it after you have read them ,ok Okay.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,20:28)Mike,The location of Nathan's birth is irrelevant.   He is an officer of government of God.  No matter where he physically came from he was sent from heaven.  You know this already as you know that the troop were sent from Washington is speaking of troops being sent from the government.  It is just telling you…[Read more]

journey, It doesn't mean ONLY for a thousand years.  John is just specifying that the elect will reign with Christ for the thousand years Satan is in the abyss – the thousand years before the rest are resurrected.It doesn't mean that reign will end when those thousand years are up.1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is d…[Read more]

Pierre,1.  No, I am not saying Elijah and Enoch were perfect, and without sin.2.  There is no scripture that says ALL MEN HAVE TO DIE.  Death is GENERALLY the result of sin……. but there are exceptions.  Even Jesus said some of them would NOT taste death before seeing the kingdom of God.3.  As far as your statement about “glory of saints”, and…[Read more]

I think 9:5 is a GENERAL statement – like many of Solomon's proverbs are also GENERAL in meaning (as opposed to absolutely concrete in every instance).

Quote (journey42 @ June 17 2014,09:24)MikeThat was really well explained!Thanks! I only wish I could take the credit for it. It seems simple enough: Jude called Enoch prophesy, and Peter said all prophesy comes from God – not man.But I'm looking forward to reading Book 1 again, and reading 2 and 3 for the first time.In fact, I plan to read all…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 16 2014,21:08)mIKEI am well aware of the the books of Enoch I have read them ,but still do not accept themThat is your choice, Pierre. I see it more like Wm posted the other day. Enoch is fine to use as support to things already taught in scripture……. but we probably shouldn't go building doctrines around the other…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,11:08)Jammin,You do realize that despite all the words you wrote you did not say anything relevant to the argument Mike made.What's new? Besides, jammin is the one who posted the ERV scripture that says the Father made the world. Now he wants to argue against the translation HE posted.

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,11:01)Jammin,If you are correct then clearly he must not be including all powerful in the essence of God he sees Jesus as being equal to God in.I told jammin Jesus and God were equal in essence if, by essence, he meant “spirit entity”.They both have a “spirit” essence, just like Michael, Gabriel, Satan, and all of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,10:54)Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in.Seems simple enough. Everything hinges on the scriptural fact that Jesus is NOT “all powerful”.So, if “all powerful” is God's essence, then Jesus doesn't have God's essence.If “all powerful” is NOT…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,09:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 17 2014,11:06)Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,05:55)is God NOT ALL POWERFUL by nature/essence?Yes jammin,GOD is indeed all powerful.Unfortunately for your silly little doctrine, JESUS is clearly NOT all powerful – and therefore NOT “God”.  and you told me that jesus is equal with God in…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,09:53)your father satan teaches you a lot of fantasies hahahaha.Really? Because all I did was use the ERV scripture that YOU posted to prove to you that THE FATHER made the world.

Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,11:39)Nathan was sent from above because God sent him. He was not sent from this world because is message was from above and not of this world.Wrong. Nathan was born on this earth, and was sent “from” God from one place on earth to another place on earth.That is not “sent from above”….. because Nathan never was…[Read more]

Marty, this is what I referred to earlier:John 635 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.”Who do you think said the words of verses 35-36?A. The living, breathing BEING known as…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2014,17:15)No, it is not ok to speculate, and I did not speculate, but I have justified what I have stated by the scriptures which must be line upon line and precept upon precept. So then you have SPECULATED that those other scriptures somehow prove it wasn't Jesus who said the words of John 6 – but “the spirit words of…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2014,16:56)Mike, this is how I came to the conclusion which you say has confused you. I hope that this will clear up any of this confusion.Not at all, Marty…………Because the fact still remains that the HUMAN BEING Jesus Christ is the one who said HE was the bread of life that came down from heaven.Your scenario seems…[Read more]