Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,12:18)Hi Pierre,  Here is the part that clarifies the meaning, it says that he is firstborn of the dead, NOT THE FIRST CREATED BEING.”(he, Jesus is) the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”  (Col 1:18)Ah………… Case in point.  When it says Jesus was “the firstborn from the de…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,10:24)Hi Pierre, The term “firstborn” is about Jesus' preeminence, not a secret creation tale of the order of created morphedTM angels.No matter how many times you present that misconception, it will never change what Scripture clearly says about God's Son.Ed, the term “firstborn” has, as its DEFAULT meaning:  “the one…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,10:08)What happened to the thread “Bazaar-o-world”Try “Bizarro World”.But for the record, the one you call “the most bizarre” is one I happen to agree with.  Jesus is older than any of the other angels, because he was the firstborn, and all the others were created through him.And, considering that the angels were likely…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,09:14)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2014,21:10)EDJ………Eligiah will come befor That GREAT and TERRIBLE Day of the comming of the “LORD”   The LORD mentioned there is not the lord (adoni) Jesus the man, it is (adonia) the LORD GOD. Eligiah come at the end of the thousand year rule of the Son of Man Jesus…[Read more]

Wakeup and journey,Who will judge those who are raised in the second resurrection? It is, after all, called “The Lamb's Book of Life”, right?

Quote (Ed J @ June 21 2014,12:32)3) Christ became a separate being from God at his conception in his mother Mary because before he was born there was no Jesus, only God.Please explain. Are you saying that there were no angels before Jesus was born of Mary? There was no Satan, or no humans before this time? Also, are you saying that “Jesus” used…[Read more]

Here is one example of something being sent FROM heaven:1 Peter 1:12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven.Is there any doubt that the Holy Spirit was LITERALLY “sent FROM…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2014,13:44)T,The prophets received their orders from out of this world therefore they were sent from out of this world.That's just silly talk, bordering on insane.Abraham's instructions came from God, but Abraham was never “sent from heaven”.Perhaps you could find an OT scripture where one of God's many prophets WERE said…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,15:59)T,I do not want to get ahead of your understanding but perhaps you can see by this verse.John 17:14New International Version (NIV)14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.Jesus is stating his disciples are not of earth.  So since…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 20 2014,07:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2014,10:54)Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2014,21:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 18 2014,07:50)In fact, I plan to read all of the Apocrypha after I finish this trip through the Bible.i DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO ;I am wandering if you will see what is wrong with them ,but i will not tell you…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 20 2014,16:45)God spoke through His Word to the prophets vocally.But spoke to His Son telepathically.But God's Word IS God's Son, and God's Son IS God's prophet.

Quote (Wakeup @ June 20 2014,07:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2014,14:12)At that time, Jehovah will be their God, and Jesus will be their Prince FOREVER  (Ezekiel 34:24, 37:25)The father has been ruling from the beginning of time.And will rule forever.There will be no change of ruler after the thousand year.It will be still God ruling, as He…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,00:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2014,09:12)Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,22:06)THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED.Close.  Read the 1 Cor 15 scriptures that I posted at the very top of my last post to journey.It will be AFTER Jesus destroys Satan and death that he will hand the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,10:33)Mike,There is that to but I am having trouble with jammin addressing my point……………I'm still wondering when we'll start to discuss the prayer in Acts 4 that I brought up to him weeks ago. He keeps blowing it off.

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2014,20:58)Mike/Kerwin1)i do not deny that he went up ;Good, then you are in agreement with scripture.  And is it a normal occurrence for a person to “go up to heaven” when they die on earth? Or do they usually go to Sheol instead?Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2014,20:58)2) not SEE DEAD ;does not mean not dying “Not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2014,15:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 19 2014,05:48)Kerwin, what point were you trying to make to Pierre with this stuff anyway?  I butted in because I saw you post that John was sent “FROM HEAVEN” – something that is never said in any scripture.  I wanted to make sure you realized that you were misquoting scripture.But w…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 18 2014,22:06)THE SON WILL BE SUBJECT TO GOD;AFTER THE THOUSAND YEAR RULE IS EXPIRED.Close.  Read the 1 Cor 15 scriptures that I posted at the very top of my last post to journey.It will be AFTER Jesus destroys Satan and death that he will hand the kingdom back over to his and our God, Jehovah.So Jesus will indeed rule for…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2014,19:32)Jammin,You claim Jesus is all powerful and yet Scripture states he was appointed.  The one who appoints is more powerful than the one that is appointed.  Jesus has no power to appoint anyone as Lord of all thing in heaven and on earth.In fact, Jesus said he can do NOTHING on his own. (John 5:30, 8:28)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,06:55)the bible said YES he is all powerfulRevelation 1:8The Voice (VOICE)Lord God: 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One who is, the One who was, and the One who is coming: the All Powerful.jammin, Do a quick search through Revelation, and tell me who is ALWAYS called “the Lord God” in that Book.For example, the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ June 19 2014,11:36)NOW WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU ARE NOT CONSISTANT IN YOUR UNDERSTANDINGTHAT THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” WHEN IT REFERS TO GOD IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE IS GODAND WHEN THE PHRASE “IN THE FORM OF” REFERS TO A SERVANT  HE IS A SERVANT?I understand them both the same way, Charles.First, Jesus was existing in the for…[Read more]