Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,13:26)Mike,Quote For example, even if you could logically say, “Abraham was a man sent from heaven”, to describe the fact that Abraham's orders came from heaven, you still wouldn't be able to logically say, “Abraham was a man sent DOWN from heaven”.That is my first thought as well but we are speaking of foreigners,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2014,13:20)It looks to complicated for me to figure it out easily and the benefit of doing so look to small to worth the cost so I just stick to the translators choice which works in English.Very good, Kerwin.So just accept that John was sent BY God, since he was never actually IN heaven before God sent him to the…[Read more]

The point is that he had to have a DIFFERENT KIND of body in order to enter the 10th heaven, where God dwells.A FLESH body wouldn't do.

Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,18:57)1) Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?5) The Apostle Paul makes the point that Jesus was the first to be resurrected to point to his preeminence.Your #5 actually answers your #1, Ed.Let's condense the statement a little………Jesus is the firstborn of every creature, and also the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,17:49)16: For by him(YHVH) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Rev.4:11)The word “YHVH” in your quote is wrong, Ed.  First, the word “by” is properly…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,12:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,23:41)Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19)Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures both were announced to come ,but one…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48)Ok. So, you showed that it was Jesus doing all of the talking.Good, because that was the point. It might seem mindless to you, but I've been dealing with Gene, who says the Father said the words of 6:38………. and with Nick, who said “the Spirit of Anointing” (whatever that is) said those words.I assumed you…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 22 2014,14:48)He did not say that the Father did not tell him to say that he came to do God's will. You did. Certainly, God did show him why He sent him.Absolutely Marty!I have no doubt that the Father let Jesus know WHY He was sending him from heaven to earth.Do you agree?

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,06:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:39)Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)Ed, there are too many holes in your doctrine to count, but tell me who you think said the words of John 6:38.Hi Mike, “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,06:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:33)Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,01:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:24)(1)Plus, the following three scriptures shoot down your “The Word is the Holy Spirit” theory:John 14:26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,06:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:27)(1) The English word “angel” merely signifies a “spirit messenger of God”.(2) So if Jesus was existing as a spirit being in heaven before emptying himself to be made in the likeness of a human being on earth – what other “class of being” could he have been?(3) What other…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 23 2014,05:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:22)(1) And what does the fact that God never changes do to your theory?  Doesn't your (and Wakeup's) theory call for God to “change”, by part of Him becoming a different living entity who is no longer “God Himself”?(2) I would like to watch you and Wakeup discuss this theory…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,00:54)3. Why can God create spirit creatures; BUT CAN NOT TRANFORM HIS OWN WORD INTO A LIVING BEING? What is God's propblem Here?If God caused one of His own spoken words to become a different living, breathing being, then God has CREATED a different living, breathing being, Wakeup.You say God caused His Word to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2014,12:08)Jammin,I am aware that trinitarians will often translate and interpret the same words applied to Jesus differently than when applied to Jesus.  You have to already believe Jesus is God or be gullible to accept such explanations.You have failed to prove Jesus is all powerful.Case in point:Quote (jammin @ June 22…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,23:24)Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,09:28)t just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your countryJammyi really think you would do better if you start planting potatoes,in someone else   yard ,and argue with them why you plant in their yard and not yours,

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2014,21:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2014,13:56)Luke 1:32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David……….See how Jesus is NOT “the Most High”, but the Son OF the Most High?  See how “the Most High” is called “the Lord God” – just like in…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2014,21:26)BIBLE VERSIONS AND COMMENTARIES AGREE TO ME.Of course they agree with you……. since those commentaries were written by Trinitarians!  But consider:Revelation 21:22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.In the above verse, is Jesus “the Lamb”?  Or is he “…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2014,11:19)Christ never really says THAT JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS IN FACT ELIJAH DOES IT NOBUT IT WAS MORE LIKE ;THE ONE THAT WAS TO COME BEFORE i CAME ,HAD COME ; this is how I understand it from scriptures both were announced to come ,but one before the otherPierre,Read the context:Matthew 1111 Truly I tell you, among…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,02:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2014,13:49)Ah………… (1)Case in point.  When it says Jesus was “the firstborn from the dead”, isn't it a LITERAL statement?  Isn't he LITERALLY the first of the first fruits to have been raised from the dead to everlasting life?  Was he not LITERALLY the first – with many br…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2014,23:04)Mikeyou have to explain the words I give you in my previous quote to you ;Jn 1:21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am notPierre,From NETNotes:According to the 1st century rabbinic interpretation of 2 Kgs 2:11, Elijah was still alive. In Mal 4:5 it is said that Elijah would be th…[Read more]