Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,17:03)Edj.Just as your word has no name;so also the Word of God has no name.So then the one named “the Word of God” in Rev 19:13 ISN'T Jesus?   If not Jesus, who is Rev 19:11-16 about?And when “the Word of God” became flesh (John 1:14), by what NAME was he called while he dwelled among us on earth?

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,10:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,14:06)So you say.  But what is that first creature's NAME, Wakeup?  Hi Mike, I have asked him that too, but he usually doesn't answer my questions     …maybe he will answer now that you have asked him?No such luck.    He won't tell me the name, nor why knowing the ancient heave…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,10:44)B) “the spirit of Christ” is the bread that cometh forth out of Heaven. (ref. John 16:27)Okay, so your answer to my question is “B”, from the list in my post, right? Now I'm ready to be EdJucated. 1. Is “the spirit of Christ” the spirit of Jesus – in the same way that “the spirit of Ed” is your spirit?If…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2014,14:34)Mike,I am not going into that since I believe the glorified body of a human being is flesh.  I know you think Jesus is still a flesh being in heaven. But do you think Jesus is still a “human being”?

I already gave you the NAME, Wakeup……… the first time you asked.  The NAME is “Jesus”.  So why do you keep saying that I “can't” give you a name?   Also, since you keep IGNORING it in the other thread, I will once again point out these things for you:1.  If you are right, and God caused His own literal word to become a separate, living, bre…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,20:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2014,12:41)Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,22:31)Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:25)Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,08:24)IF JESUS IS THE FIRST CREATED CREATURE,WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?The WORD. Of GodThe Word of God is not a name.Revelation 19:13 KJVAnd he was clothed with a vesture dipped…[Read more]

Kerwin, Which scripture is that again? And does it really say “DOWN from God”?

Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,20:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,05:47)Had these same words been said about JESUS, and not about disciples – the Trinitarians would have been all over it as a “Jesus is God proof text”!  Mike,They do.Kerwin,You would have made a much better point by posting the Trinitarian commentators' NOTES about that…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,03:32)Your idea works here, Heaven was created before Earth and DOES HAVE preeminence          “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth”  (Gen 1:1)But, YOUR THEORY falls apart here, because “GRASS” was created before MAN, but Man has the preeminence           “And God said, Let the earth bring forth gras…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,03:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:09)Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2014,18:57)1) Yes, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?5) The Apostle Paul makes the point that Jesus was the first to be resurrected to point to his preeminence.Your #5 actually answers your #1, Ed.Let's condense the statement a…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,02:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,12:00)Second, the “him” is Jesus, as verse 15 and 16 are one long sentence in the Greek.  “He is the firstborn of every creature FOR through him, all things were created………….”.Sorry, but the original Greek has *NO* punctuation. You need to get the facts straight.Okay then,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2014,02:59)Hi Mike,Would 'you' have us to believe that by Jesus these things “in Heaven” were created…5. God himselfCan you not see the flaw in 'your' assertion?     <– Will you please address thisWould YOU have us believe that YHVH created “God Himself”?  Can YOU now see the flaw in YOUR “rebuttal”?  Quote (Ed J @ Jun…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,19:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,06:54)Matthew 1114 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.and by no means john the baptist his(I mean Physically ) Elijah  from the old testamentYou are welcome to that opinion, Pierre. After all, Jesus did…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,10:06)T.Running away and making funny noises,is not the wayto go.Said the pot to the kettle………..

Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,22:31)Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,15:25)Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,08:24)IF JESUS IS THE FIRST CREATED CREATURE,WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?The WORD. Of GodThe Word of God is not a name.Revelation 19:13 KJVAnd he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Quote (Ed J @ June 24, 2014, 4:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2014,03:39)Let's start here:John 635 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.Who said THOSE words?A.  The living, br…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,20:24)A QUESTION FOR MIKE B. AND OTHERS.IF JESUS IS THE FIRST CREATED CREATURE,WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?wakeup.How many different threads are you going to ask this question in, Wakeup?  You know that I and Pierre post in THIS THREAD almost every day.  So next time, just ask your question in THIS THREAD – and we will see i…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,21:23)Mike and Terra.What is that first cteature's name?Why, Wakeup? Is it important for some reason?If so, then you tell me the name of the first being God ever created. You don't believe it was Jesus, so tell me who it was. What was his name? And why is knowing that name important to our salvation?

Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2014,16:11)Terra; Mike and some others believe that Jesus was the first creature created. And through Him all things are created.But they could not name that first creature.His name can not be THe Word;because the Word created the so called creature. They are in error,but the proud heart will not admit it.Actually, I just…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 23 2014,21:03)To all who believe Jesus was the first created creature in heaven.WHO/WHAT IS HIS NAME?wakeup.Is there any reason to think his name wasn't “Jesus” – even before he came to earth?I can't think of any.