Nick: “What does a FIRMAMENT sound like to you?

Sounds like this…

Job 37:18… Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Isaiah 40:22… He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth… He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Psalm 19:4, 6……[Read more]

Kathi: “I don’t have any problem with Jesus being the firstborn and only born god/God.”

That is scriptural.

Kathi: “All those other gods you write about were created through the Son as angels who fell and sought worship from creatures and receive/received worship through deception not by design.”

Yes, that’s right… except that not all of t…[Read more]

@NickHassan: 1 Cor 8.5f

For even if there are SO CALLED gods, whether in heaven or on earth,

as indeed there are many gods and many lords…

The Greek doesn’t say “so called”, Nick.  Notice the second line, “as indeed there ARE many gods AND many lords”.  This is a true statement, and is echoed all throughout the Bible.  The scriptures are lo…[Read more]

Okay guys, let’s practice the KISS theory on this one, ie: “Keep It Simple Stupid”.  First up, have any of you ever personally witnessed any earth curvature with your own eyes whatsoever in your lifetime?

Okay, you can check any source you like to find many different earth curvature calculators on the web.  Or just Google, “What is the formula f…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Welcome back.

Thanks Nick.  Good to hear from you after all this time.

 

It depends on definitions. Do you know of the biblical definitions of

FOUNDATIONS, PILLARS, CHANNELS, CORNERS, THE DEEP, FIRMAMENT etc?

Without forming such a foundation we are not able to build anything.

We can surely delve into that, while remembering not to…[Read more]

@Gene: “Mikeboll64. ….when pictures taken from space of earth it shows as round, not flat, so how do does the flat theory account for that?”

I don’t believe there is a “space”, let alone any real pictures from there.  But let’s put that on the back burner for now.  I want to start my presentation with the flatness of earth that all of us have see…[Read more]

Here are a few shots of stars taken by me with my new Nikon P900 83x zoom camera.  It’s hard to keep the camera still on a windy night when zoomed in so far, but you’ll be able to get the idea.  Notice that they don’t look anything like huge fireballs, but more light flashing neon l…[Read more]

@T8: “So why is it that we have round stars/suns and wandering stars/planets are also round. But not the Earth. I suppose the argument is that it is the centre so it is unique.”

Round doesn’t mean spherical.  Besides, in the flat earth model, there is no outer space with all those round planets and stars zooming around.  Here is a short clip to g…[Read more]

@t8: “You may have seen this. I post this because the argument is that the earth is the centre while science says the sun is. But even that idea is subjective because the sun supposedly flies  through space. If we add more information the perspective changes.”

Yeah, I’ve seen the video about how we’re flying through space at what amounts to…[Read more]

Hey T8, so good to talk with you again.  I’m happy you are still running this site after all these years.  Good on you, bloke.  Okay, you’ve hit me with a lot, so let me give some brief answers now, and then I hope to walk you through the steps of how I came to believe we don’t live in the universe the scientists have created for us.  Oth…[Read more]

Hey Shimmer/miia!  I’m elated to hear you are still at HN, and therefore apparently still trying to increase your knowledge of all things scriptural. While I’ve learned a lot from everyone on this site, few people have caused me to do a complete roundabout of my scriptural interpretation.  I don’t know if you remember, but you did that with Luke 2…[Read more]

Kathi, I agree Jesus wasn’t the firstborn calf, but he was the firstborn god.  Then the Most High God made a whole bunch of other gods with names like Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer before creating our heavens and earth, biological animals and finally humans… of which, coincidentally, Adam was the firstborn and didn’t come from a human daddy.

As…[Read more]

t8, I’ll try to hit you up tomorrow morning.

Hmm…  even my snapshot is too big to upload.  I could resize it to 512kb, but it already looks crappy at 1.27mb.  🙂  I guess you’ll have to take my word for it for now.  But you can look online and see all kinds of photos of the Jan 31st blood moon, and you’ll see what I mean.

Oops, it says my 3 second GIF exceeds the max file size.  So here’s my own photo of the same thing…

Hi Mike,

I’m glad to see you are back. Yes, the flat-earth stuff is compelling.
But how do they account for blood moons?

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God bless
Ed J

I don’t know how to quote a post here, but thanks for the welcome back, Ed. BTW, me being a mod way back when never stopped you from yelling at me.  🙂

I don’t know why the moon is oc…[Read more]

Hi Ed, of course firstborn of every creature means the creature who was born/made/begotten/created first. As Kathi and I determined years ago (great to hear what you’ve been up to K), “firstborn” has, as its default meaning, “the one who was born first”. While the word is used idiosyncratically in a few scriptures, the context of those…[Read more]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. Sorry Gene, I can’t help with any of those people. Did Kerwin and Pierre just up and disappear without warning? Hope they’re okay. T8, I don’t have the kind of time I used to back in the day, but I’d love to run what I’ve learned by you guys. I’ll figure out how and where to put the thread, and make a…[Read more]

What a blast from the past! I must have subscribed to this thread years ago, and have been getting emails for the last few days. I went back and re-read the first ten pages of the thread (from 2010), and wow. The old days of Lightenup, Worshipping Jesus, Kangaroo Jack, Just Askin, Terrarica, WakeUp, Marty, Irene, and all the rest. It’s good to…[Read more]