T8: And if the heliocentric model is wrong, then what are the chances that it simplifies and brings order to their orbits when in the old model, they appeared unpredictable, random, and complex at best? Really what is the chance that using an incorrect model by chance gives perfect symmetry?

You’re not thinking straight.  The ancients used the w…[Read more]

Jonathan:  It’s weird that you think that we can’t trust a scientist. 

Uh, read the quotes I just posted for T8.  There are hundreds more just like them from scientists who laugh at believers and do everything in their power to convince children and adults that belief in God is a ridiculous notion for which we should all be ashamed of ourselv…[Read more]

T8:  Some stars wandered about the firmament in a random manner sometimes changing direction completely. Wandering stars as they were known, were unlike all other stars that had fixed orbits.

That’s right, wandering stars.  The idea of “planets” didn’t come around until much later.

T8:  Of course, once the perspective changed to the hel…

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Nick:  Another human dogma built on doubt, paranoia and conspiracy theories

and preferring personal observation over science.

You seem to be confused about what science is, Nick.  Hopefully these scientists will help you out…

Science does not purvey absolute truth, science is a mechanism. It’s a way of trying to improve your knowledge of nat…

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Hey Gene, I had to edit the video, and so deleted the first one I made from YouTube.  Here is the new one…

Gene:  Mike….I think our little “shimmer”, Miia, has some good points, it certanily is not a shame to question all things, and i respect you for that, and i think as you unbiasly seek it out and as smart as you and T8 are you guys will put it together soon with God’s help. I like your challenges it helps dig in on things more. Thanks

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miia:  Hey LU, I saw that video of the Christian who went to space, but quickly discounted it because anyone can claim to be a Christian (you must have googled the same as me: Christian astronauts).

2 Corintians 11:13-15

For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself m…[Read more]

miia: Hey I was at my parents and discussing this theory, which my dad has said all along. And mum had a small globe of the earth and it broke off its axis when my son pointed to something. Sign? lol.

Funny.  God works in mysterious ways they say.  🙂

miia:  Really though. I feel there is something in this. Not sure what. But there’s some…

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miia:  As Einstein said “The important thing is to never stop questioning.”

Or as my avatar says “I’ve always been someone who looks too deep into something or someone. That’s because I realised from a young age that there’s always more than meets the eye.” (unknown).

Good stuff!

Mike: Well I still believe they do. I believe God has a literal…

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T8:  One of the points mentioned is we would see different sides of the moon if the Earth was flat. That is, I see this face and the other side of the flat earth would see a different side of the moon. But the reality is, we always see the same side. Not possible in a flat earth right?

That’s a strawman argument.  Not only does it assume the mo…[Read more]

T8:  I took this video of the moon on 4 Dec 2017.

My question is this, if the moon looks like that, why can’t the Earth look a similar shape from the moon?

No reason at all.  It most certainly could look like that.  But then the observational evidence would have to support it, and it doesn’t.  But what exactly were you looking at?  You think i…[Read more]

T8:  The video above pointed me to this website for the calculation. See the video about this calculation method if you have any questions.

https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

I would love to talk about Mick West and his Metabunk site.  So glad you brought it up.  I have to log off pretty soon tonight, and addressing that will take some time.  I’ll…[Read more]

T8:  This is not absolute proof Mike, because this can be faked. But ask yourself why fake this?

Too many reasons to go into right now, but let me just remind you that NASA receives 52 million dollars of US taxpayer money… EVERY SINGLE DAY!  That is a powerful reason to bend over backwards to keep the deception.  Also know that the entire wor…[Read more]

T8:  I can neither prove the Earth is a sphere or a flat disc on my own. What I do have like everyone else is the weight of indirect evidence.

You and I are in no position to verify whether the earth is a flat disc or a sphere.  But what we can verify is that it is not a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference.  In fact, you, I, and millions of ot…[Read more]

Gene: Mike thousand of photos not even from Nasa, but others, they all confirm that the earth is round. You simply can’t get past that even if you ignor the exact calculation formula. 

Why do you keep saying I’m ignoring the “exact calculation formula”?  I keep on telling you that I’m using it, and even showing you how you can verify that for your…[Read more]

T8:  So why is there water between me and Ruapehu. My guess is when you seriously zoom into a subject, all the horizontal lines stretch out and the lines between me and the volcano shrink to bring the subject closer.

You know what?  In that photo I took of Superstition Mountain from 55 miles away, virtually all of the picture is the empty field ri…[Read more]

T8:  But upon closer examination, I discovered it was Ruapehu…

So out of 2797 meters, 1723 should be hidden behind the curvature of the earth, leaving only 1074 meters visible to your location.  Does it look to you like almost two thirds of that mountain is missing?  Because it sure doesn’t to me.

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T8: Mike, if from the perspective of the viewer the sun was hovering just above the horizon and the moon much higher than the horizon, then why couldn’t the shadow be different if the sun was higher on the horizon and the moon lower?

I promise you my friend, what you’re imagining is impossible.  Here is a screenshot from your video.  I’ve draw…[Read more]

Gene:  The earth is so large it takes a great distence to to calculate its cruve FROM A FLAT PLAIN. But there is a apsolute formula that can be used to calculate it perfectly.

Yes, it is the formula I’ve been using – the one you and anyone else can find on the internet.  It is based on the Pythagorean Theorem.  I don’t know the mathematics beh…

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T8, with the information you gave me, the mountain in the distance should have 1723 meters hidden by curvature.